Let's go get REVIS!!!!!!

[boogerlovejoy]

Listen, I'm not reinventing the wheel here. We all know it doesnt make sense to sacrifice having to give up quality NFL starters (Houston, Durant) because we're so strapped for cap room because of three guys. The Lions are too top heavy, meaning they have talent, but are VERY thin on depth and quality role players.....and if the top isn't producing.....the bottom isn't good enough to support it.

 

[mhughes0021]

then my apologies to Mrs. Hughes.

lol i didnt catch the "mrs" the first 5 times i read that.....nice

 

[schles192]

i think we have 17 million this year tied up in a DT...granted i like suh i think he is a good player...but DT is generally not a money making position...and 17 million is outrageous for one....i wouldn't be surprised if when he restructures..he makes less than his rookie contract..

The way they structured his contract most of it comes off the books this year, beacuse of the way staff and cj were getting paid. Still a bloated contract for a DT but the other years arent as bad.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

People can put whatever blame on Mayhew they want......but as far as the salary cap situation goes.....we are still paying for hiring that fucking tool Matt Millen.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

also..i do believe the lions would be able to afford revis..he's only due to make like 6 mil i think this next year? which for a player his caliber is simple.. by the time his contract is up..we could franchise him for a year or two..and burleson, raiola,peterman, kvb's contracts should all be off the books or most...once kvb's is gone that will help immensely...also suh's big part should be over..like someone else mentioned

 

[cheeno]

also..i do believe the lions would be able to afford revis..he's only due to make like 6 mil i think this next year? which for a player his caliber is simple.. by the time his contract is up..we could franchise him for a year or two..and burleson, raiola,peterman, kvb's contracts should all be off the books or most...once kvb's is gone that will help immensely...also suh's big part should be over..like someone else mentioned

He's looking for/getting close to 16mil per in his new contract. No we can't afford that, quit dreaming.

 

[schles192]

Plus there is the acquisition cost of gaining the rights to that contract, what would his price be a 4th for a 1 year rental? More realistically is Nnamdi, he is more of a press cover corner and Philly wasn't using him to his full potential. He is to get 15 mil next year but is only guaranteed 4 mil so he may be cut. He has said he is open to a restructure maybe MM can work a trade and restructure.

 

[schles192]

This is what I found on Suh's contract:

From a contractual standpoint, Suh is signed through 2014 (the 2015 year in his rookie contract will void five days after the 2014 Super Bowl) and is currently due $22.7 million in base salary over the next two seasons. Suh is scheduled to earn $11.15 million in 2013, of which $2.7 million is fully guaranteed, and $11.55 million in non-guaranteed base salary in 2014. Additionally, Suh has $4 million available in base salary escalators and incentives. Any team that acquires Suh will need to have $11.275 million in cap space in 2013 just to fit him on its active roster before reducing that figure with what is likely to be a very lucrative multi-year extension.

On the day before the 2012 league year began on March 13, Suh bailed out the salary cap-strapped Lions by agreeing to renegotiate his contract. Suh's $10.25 million base salary was reduced to $540,000, the league minimum for a player with two accrued seasons, and the remaining $9.71 million was converted to a signing bonus that was prorated over four seasons. The restructured deal lowered Suh's 2012 cap number by nearly $3.5 million, but added $2.4275 million to his 2013, 2014 and 2015 cap numbers.


Most of the top DT's make about 9 mil a year which is about what Suh would be making before he restructured, it then went up to over 11 mil a year.

 

[Mitchrapp]

This is what I found on Suh's contract:

From a contractual standpoint, Suh is signed through 2014 (the 2015 year in his rookie contract will void five days after the 2014 Super Bowl) and is currently due $22.7 million in base salary over the next two seasons. Suh is scheduled to earn $11.15 million in 2013, of which $2.7 million is fully guaranteed, and $11.55 million in non-guaranteed base salary in 2014. Additionally, Suh has $4 million available in base salary escalators and incentives. Any team that acquires Suh will need to have $11.275 million in cap space in 2013 just to fit him on its active roster before reducing that figure with what is likely to be a very lucrative multi-year extension.

On the day before the 2012 league year began on March 13, Suh bailed out the salary cap-strapped Lions by agreeing to renegotiate his contract. Suh's $10.25 million base salary was reduced to $540,000, the league minimum for a player with two accrued seasons, and the remaining $9.71 million was converted to a signing bonus that was prorated over four seasons. The restructured deal lowered Suh's 2012 cap number by nearly $3.5 million, but added $2.4275 million to his 2013, 2014 and 2015 cap numbers.


Most of the top DT's make about 9 mil a year which is about what Suh would be making before he restructured, it then went up to over 11 mil a year.

Doesn't seem too off kilter especially for someone who restructured to help the team with the cap.

 

[schles192]

Doesn't seem too off kilter especially for someone who restructured to help the team with the cap.

Dam, didn't account for the sigining bonus which is 6 mil a year after the restructure, so make that 17 mil a year. Holy fuck that is a lot for a DT. That article above was just talking about base salary.

Was looking at Ngata's contract to compare and he is at 16 mil for 2014 and 2015.

 

[zyxt9]

Which brings us back to, why would someone else give him a huge contract and trade players / picks to get him? Face, CJ is getting a big contract anywhere..

Do u not see the irony in this comment. U r saying hour costs too much, which hurts the team due to cap.

Like tom andni have said, they needed to trade him last year, and we both were slammed for such comments last year. Now they cannot trade him because no other team is stupid enough to tie up that much money.

Heck it would have actually been more beneficial to let him walk and not get anything in return than have the burden of the bloated contract.

One can hope they won't make same mistake with suh, but they will because it is the lions and they just don't grasp how to put together a TEAM.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Dam, didn't account for the sigining bonus which is 6 mil a year after the restructure, so make that 17 mil a year. Holy fuck that is a lot for a DT. That article above was just talking about base salary.

Ah..

 

[Mitchrapp]

Do u not see the irony in this comment. U r saying hour costs too much, which hurts the team due to cap.

Like tom andni have said, they needed to trade him last year, and we both were slammed for such comments last year. Now they cannot trade him because no other team is stupid enough to tie up that much money.

Heck it would have actually been more beneficial to let him walk and not get anything in return than have the burden of the bloated contract.

One can hope they won't make same mistake with suh, but they will because it is the lions and they just don't grasp how to put together a TEAM.

I'm not saying he's making too much. You are and Tom is..It makes watching the games fun.

 

[schles192]

This is the best I could find:
2011 11,904,706
2012 6,562,500
2013 17,172,500
2014 17,572,500
2015 9,402,500 this is a voidable year and will most likely change

Compared to Ngata
2011 5,716,533
2012 10,400,000
2013 11,500,000
2014 16,000,000
2015 16,000,000

Compared to Seymour
2013 16,315,000
2014 16,315,000
2015 16,315,000
2016 16,315,000

 

[schles192]

Do u not see the irony in this comment. U r saying hour costs too much, which hurts the team due to cap.

Like tom andni have said, they needed to trade him last year, and we both were slammed for such comments last year. Now they cannot trade him because no other team is stupid enough to tie up that much money.

Heck it would have actually been more beneficial to let him walk and not get anything in return than have the burden of the bloated contract.

One can hope they won't make same mistake with suh, but they will because it is the lions and they just don't grasp how to put together a TEAM.

The point you are missing is that the reason teams wont trade for him is not because of the salary (he is paid what he is worth) but because of the salary and the acquisition cost (draft picks), when you combine the two its just too much for one player. CJ is not the problem cap wise, he is worth the money and earns it, its the CW, KVB, Burelson, and Avril. Those guys are getting paid more than they are producing but that should change this offseason. Add in a Stafford restructure and we should have enough to get decent FA's. Will we still be in CAP hell next year?? Probably but CJ isn't the problem.

 

[schles192]

We have calvin at 12.2 in 2013 and 14, in 2015 it goes to 19 mil. I'm not even going to tell you the 2016+ years as those will make you cry. Any way if you were going to trade him due to cap hit it would be between the 2014 and 15 years.

 

[Mitchrapp]

When does the cap go up, 2014, 2015?

 

[schles192]

When does the cap go up, 2014, 2015?

With the new CBA more money was funneled to non operational related business ie. benefits for all players even retired. That created a shortage and instead of lowering the cap they kept it steady until the two caught up, the new TV deal in 2014 would raise the cap but because of the shortage it won?t change much until 2016.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Ah..

 

[wheels002]

as good of a player as revis is I really wouldnt trade for him. I dont think he will ever be happy with his contract. he has said a few times that expects to be paid as a top player. Not a top CB but a top player. Add to that the fact that he is coming off a knee injury. He has already held out twice and threatened to hold out 1 or 2 more times. He wants somewhere around 5yrs 90 mil with 80 guaranteed.

And can we please stop talking about trading Calvin. WR is more valuuable these days because of the rules and the fact that teams throw more. He is worth more than he is making. He is the best WR in the league and you can not put a value on him. 3 1st rounders wouldnt even be close.