Let's go get REVIS!!!!!!

[zyxt9]

I'm not saying he's making too much. You are and Tom is..It makes watching the games fun.

Well I personally would find the games more enjoyablebif they won and earned a championship ring and banner, something very difficult to achieve when 3 contracts are over a 1/4 of the cap and 50 are under 3/4. Not saying there is a solver bullet solution, but I do not believe the current framework will ever find success.

 

[schles192]

3 1st rounders wouldnt even be close.

Well it took us 4 first rounders to get calvin (roy, mike, charles).

 

[Mitchrapp]

Well I personally would find the games more enjoyablebif they won and earned a championship ring and banner, something very difficult to achieve when 3 contracts are over a 1/4 of the cap and 50 are under 3/4. Not saying there is a solver bullet solution, but I do not believe the current framework will ever find success.

But there is no guarantee that we get better by trading Calvin.

 

[cheeno]

In 1994 the Dallas Cowboys spent a third of the cap on Aikman, Irvin and Smith. No talking point from me, just looked it up out of interest.

 

[Mitchrapp]

To be successful, you need cheap late round picks that pan out. We weren't 4-12 because of Staff, Suh and CJ. We don't improve by trading them..

 

[zyxt9]

Well it took us 4 first rounders to get calvin (roy, mike, charles).

That was due to Millen being an idiot, not due to 75% of r1 guys being busts.

 

[zyxt9]

But there is no guarantee that we get better by trading Calvin.

Well at this point it is too late to trade cj. There is still time to trade suh, and pettigrew while we are at it.

 

[zyxt9]

To be successful, you need cheap late round picks that pan out. We weren't 4-12 because of Staff, Suh and CJ. We don't improve by trading them..

That is only one piece to the puzzle obviously. Another piece is having cap room to get FAs who can get the team to next level. We have a higher chance of winning with a team filled top to bottom instead of just the top. You complain we don't have depth but we cannot get quality depth via FAs the way champions do. Drafting in late rounds is not the only way to build depth.

 

[schles192]

That was due to Millen being an idiot, not due to 75% of r1 guys being busts.

I was mostly joking but it made me wonder what the first round draft pick bust rate is.

Of the 319 first-round picks taken in the last 10 years (the Patriots forfeited their 2008 selection as a penalty for "Spygate"):

? 98 made at least one Pro Bowl (31 percent)

? 55 made multiple Pro Bowls (17 percent)

keep in mind thier idea of a bust is not making it to the probowl which can skew if you figure a guy taken in 2011 might not have made the probowl his rookie year but might in the future as he develops.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I was mostly joking but it made me wonder what the first round draft pick bust rate is.

Of the 319 first-round picks taken in the last 10 years (the Patriots forfeited their 2008 selection as a penalty for "Spygate"):

? 98 made at least one Pro Bowl (31 percent)

? 55 made multiple Pro Bowls (17 percent)

keep in mind thier idea of a bust is not making it to the probowl which can skew if you figure a guy taken in 2011 might not have made the probowl his rookie year but might in the future as he develops.

Im not sure where you got that info....but I wonder how the first round numbers compare to the other 6 rounds.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Later rounds its even less of a player making it.

 

[schles192]

Im not sure where you got that info....but I wonder how the first round numbers compare to the other 6 rounds.

It?s not really an accurate portrayal as it only looks at pro bowl selections. The other rounds must be in the single digi's if you use the pro bowl as your barometer. I found an article that has a bust as a marginal role player that has limited game experience and contributes little to no value to an NFL franchise, but it uses a graph so my numbers aren't 100%.

RD %
1 20
2 30
3 50
4 60
5 65
6 70
7 73

But if you change the criteria to if a player starts for less than one year or plays less than 40 games in their career

RD %
1 35
2 50
3 70
4 75
5 80
6 83
7 86

Funny that they reference Greenwood:
In the past 50 years, only two players picked 148 have started more than one year and played in at least 40 games. Best of luck to Chris Greenwood of the Detroit Lions, the 148th selection of the 2012 draft. According to the data, you are the true Mr. Irrelevant.

http://datascopeanalytics.com/what-we-think/2012/05/01/the-chance-of-a-bust-in-the-nfl-draft

 

[zyxt9]

Wow, so lions definitely needed to trade out of 148 last year, who knew?!?!

 

[zyxt9]

Sad thing for lions is their percentage of bust for every round over last 40 years is probably over 50%, possibly even over 90% in some of the later rounds.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Depends on what you consider bust. Not sure a 6th-7th round pick can be a bust. Most fail and its very high and if I had to bet, few have success with the late picks and the rest are in the same boat as the Detroit Lions.

 

[zyxt9]

mitch, you keep making it sound like the lions are just the same as all the other franchises. they are not. they are far worse. name one franchise that has less playoff wins than the lions in the super bowl era? i'm not even sure if there is a franchise that has made the playoffs less frequently.

are there other teams CURRENTLY sucking as much as the lions, sure, if you want to look at a shorter span. but the lions continually are sucking. pure random picking or even throwing darts to select their draft would likely have produced better results than the lions FO has managed historically. throw in their inability to ever do a damn thing in FA and you have the worst franchise in the NFL.

people need to wake up to that, cuz things have NOT gotten better with the current group in charge. they are still not winning regular season games, let alone playoff games. the "last year was an anomaly" doesn't hold water because last year was the NORM, not an anomaly.

 

[LKP]

Stafford,Calvin,Broyles,Burleson, Pettigrew,Scheffler,LeShoure, Bell, Sims,Reiff,Gosder or Backus can lead this team to the playoffs in 2013 season on offense.

Suh,Fairley,Tulloch,Delmas(once re-signed),Houston(once re-signed),Bentley can lead this team to the playoffs in 2013 season on defense. Bartell, Green, Palmer, Lewis, Whitehead and Carey can contribute as well.

Give me a top 5 DE, Round 2 DB and Guard in the draft. And figure out change of pace speed back(5th round or free agency) and speed WR (Devery Henderson) in free agency.

Enough of the doom and gloom. This team is loaded with talent. They won't underperform again.

 

[mhughes0021]

Stafford,Calvin,Broyles,Burleson, Pettigrew,Scheffler,LeShoure, Bell, Sims,Reiff,Gosder or Backus can lead this team to the playoffs in 2013 season on offense.

Suh,Fairley,Tulloch,Delmas(once re-signed),Houston(once re-signed),Bentley can lead this team to the playoffs in 2013 season on defense. Bartell, Green, Palmer, Lewis, Whitehead and Carey can contribute as well.

Give me a top 5 DE, Round 2 DB and Guard in the draft. And figure out change of pace speed back(5th round or free agency) and speed WR (Devery Henderson) in free agency.

Enough of the doom and gloom. This team is loaded with talent. They won't underperform again.

/facepalm

 

[LKP]

/facepalm

Face palm your face palm. This team has talent whether you like it or not. Your hate for Mayhew is unjustified.

More DE pressure fixes the turnovers forced. Just recovering more fumbles fixes the turnovers as 24 with 16 lost won't happen again. Stafford can go back to 2011 form. Lions are a playoff team in 2013.

 

[Mitchrapp]

mitch, you keep making it sound like the lions are just the same as all the other franchises. they are not. they are far worse. name one franchise that has less playoff wins than the lions in the super bowl era? i'm not even sure if there is a franchise that has made the playoffs less frequently.

are there other teams CURRENTLY sucking as much as the lions, sure, if you want to look at a shorter span. but the lions continually are sucking. pure random picking or even throwing darts to select their draft would likely have produced better results than the lions FO has managed historically. throw in their inability to ever do a damn thing in FA and you have the worst franchise in the NFL.

people need to wake up to that, cuz things have NOT gotten better with the current group in charge. they are still not winning regular season games, let alone playoff games. the "last year was an anomaly" doesn't hold water because last year was the NORM, not an anomaly.

This isn't about playoff success, that's another story. I brought up one thing, late round suckiness which isn't worst for the Lions than a bunch of other teams.