Lions signed DE Israel Idonije

[mhughes0021]

LeShoure did not SUCK. And even if he did, you don't give up on the guy after one year.

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Hate to tell you this...but the lions already did when they signed Bush. You don't draft a guy in the 2nd round then sign Reggie Bush for big money a year later if your heart is set on him being a focal point. Im sure youll reply how he is "the perfect compliment", and every team needs 2 backs nowadays....blah blah blah. They replaced him...get over it. If Leshoure has a good season last year maybe they spend bush's money elsewhere....but he sucked so they went out and replaced him.

 

[LKP]

Hate to tell you this...but the lions already did when they signed Bush. You don't draft a guy in the 2nd round then sign Reggie Bush for big money a year later if your heart is set on him being a focal point. Im sure youll reply how he is "the perfect compliment", and every team needs 2 backs nowadays....blah blah blah. They replaced him...get over it. If Leshoure has a good season last year maybe they spend bush's money elsewhere....but he sucked so they went out and replaced him.

It's obvious he's a complement and you need 2 backs. They went into last the last 2 years wanting Best/LeShoure. Signing Bush DOES NOT MEAN LESHOUE SUCKS. HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU. Your preemptive strike doesn't mean it's not true that they need both backs.

 

[mhughes0021]

Bell had limited carries. One against Indy that were not a good run defense team. And the 2 big ones against Houston I didn't see very much blocking like that the rest of the year. Those 3 runs jacked up his YPC for sure. Limited carries for Bell and Bell was healthier.

Answer the question, 130 more carries for Bell, would he have such a good YPC?

Im starving thinking about all this crow im supposed to eat year after year but it never happens. So for this year im supposed to watch that Reiff turns out to be better than Backus at LT. Broyles has a year that deserving of a 2nd round pick and makes up for everything he didn't do last year. And leshoure needs to be a good compliment to Bush. Plenty of ammo for you guys to fire at me throughout the year. I hope all 3 can step up. Reiff has the best chance at success. Broyles would be huge if he produced and can be a difference maker if he stays healthy. Leshoure could be replaced by a $2 hooker and I wouldn't notice the difference in production.

 

[inkfreq]

Calvin Johnson's team sucked, his qb sucked, and he was sill behind Roy Williams in the pecking order. CJ made plays that showed he could be special. LeSuss had every and I mean every chance to succeed from touches, scheme, to what the other teams gave us and we got the absolute minimum. Not one play were you went oh thats how good he can or would be barring injury. A half decent back would have far surpassed Leshoure's output last year (even Bell full time I gotta believe). This offense is a running backs dream.

So there is no magical output benchmark like you suggest, just what should have been given the advantages he got, even the coaches and front office can see/saw it. Believe me after drafting back to back RBs I'm sure the last thing the expected that they would need to FA another full time starter at that position. Leshoure is the poor mans Shonn Green.

So let me see if I get your argument here....

Calvin Johnson's team sucked, so he didn't suck, he was just the product of a bad team.

But Leshore's 4-12 team was so unbelievably awesome that he should have produced more?

The guy ran for 800 yards on a bad ankle for a 4-12 team. 4-12 man. A whole lot went wrong in Detroit last year, and you seem to want to blame that on one player in his rookie year, but when a different rookie puts up the same yardage receiving, hell... he played for a bad team.

Which one is it? Is a single player responsible for the bad team, or is the bad team responsible for the lack of production from a single player?

Anyway you want to slice it... the 2007 Lions were 6-2 and the 2012 Lions were 4-2. Any argument you have that includes Calvin didn't suck his rookie season because of the team, but Leshore did suck his rookie season because of the team is already shot down.

 

[LKP]

The 2012 Lions were a talented team that had various individuals at times turn the ball over too much and had DEs underperform with an injurry riddled secondary. This caused an 0-8 finish after a 4-4 start. Special teams caused a 6-2 start to be 4-4.

 

[mhughes0021]

So let me see if I get your argument here....

Calvin Johnson's team sucked, so he didn't suck, he was just the product of a bad team.

But Leshore's 4-12 team was so unbelievably awesome that he should have produced more?

The guy ran for 800 yards on a bad ankle for a 4-12 team. 4-12 man. A whole lot went wrong in Detroit last year, and you seem to want to blame that on one player in his rookie year, but when a different rookie puts up the same yardage receiving, hell... he played for a bad team.

Which one is it? Is a single player responsible for the bad team, or is the bad team responsible for the lack of production from a single player?

Anyway you want to slice it... the 2007 Lions were 6-2 and the 2012 Lions were 4-2. Any argument you have that includes Calvin didn't suck his rookie season because of the team, but Leshore did suck his rookie season because of the team is already shot down.

It makes you more noticeably sucky when you cant run for more than 3 ypc vs 5 and 6 man fronts and your qb throws the ball 800 times a year. Hes going into his 3rd year....so you can keep calling him a rookie all you want but i dont give him a pass for missing an entire year with an achilies injury....that was just a wasted year if you ask me that makes the 2nd round pick look even worse.

 

[Mitchrapp]

So let me see if I get your argument here....

Calvin Johnson's team sucked, so he didn't suck, he was just the product of a bad team.

But Leshore's 4-12 team was so unbelievably awesome that he should have produced more?

The guy ran for 800 yards on a bad ankle for a 4-12 team. 4-12 man. A whole lot went wrong in Detroit last year, and you seem to want to blame that on one player in his rookie year, but when a different rookie puts up the same yardage receiving, hell... he played for a bad team.

Which one is it? Is a single player responsible for the bad team, or is the bad team responsible for the lack of production from a single player?

Anyway you want to slice it... the 2007 Lions were 6-2 and the 2012 Lions were 4-2. Any argument you have that includes Calvin didn't suck his rookie season because of the team, but Leshore did suck his rookie season because of the team is already shot down.

Just to point out, missing his first year not withstanding - he was not a rookie.

 

[inkfreq]

Just to point out, missing his first year not withstanding - he was not a rookie.

The first year a guy plays, he's eligible for Rookie of the Year. That was Leshore's first year on the field.

In my book, he's a rookie.

 

[inkfreq]

The 2012 Lions were a talented team that had various individuals at times turn the ball over too much and had DEs underperform with an injurry riddled secondary. This caused an 0-8 finish after a 4-4 start. Special teams caused a 6-2 start to be 4-4.

Oh brother, don't even get me started on special teams play. WOOOO! Man, they were worse than bad.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The first year a guy plays, he's eligible for Rookie of the Year. That was Leshore's first year on the field.

In my book, he's a rookie.

This is football not baseball. Did he not look at film, offensive meetings? Its not like a pure rookie. He got much training whether he could play or not.

 

[mhughes0021]

Oh brother, don't even get me started on special teams play. WOOOO! Man, they were worse than bad.

We really need to hope tahir whitehead steps up this year and is upgraded from the cheer squad so the special teams gets a influx of talent.

 

[inkfreq]

We really need to hope tahir whitehead steps up this year and is upgraded from the cheer squad so the special teams gets a influx of talent.

I'm hoping Whitehead does something this year, special teams, LB, whatever. That kid needs to step up.

 

[cheeno]

So let me see if I get your argument here....

Calvin Johnson's team sucked, so he didn't suck, he was just the product of a bad team.

But Leshore's 4-12 team was so unbelievably awesome that he should have produced more?

The guy ran for 800 yards on a bad ankle for a 4-12 team. 4-12 man. A whole lot went wrong in Detroit last year, and you seem to want to blame that on one player in his rookie year, but when a different rookie puts up the same yardage receiving, hell... he played for a bad team.

Which one is it? Is a single player responsible for the bad team, or is the bad team responsible for the lack of production from a single player?

Anyway you want to slice it... the 2007 Lions were 6-2 and the 2012 Lions were 4-2. Any argument you have that includes Calvin didn't suck his rookie season because of the team, but Leshore did suck his rookie season because of the team is already shot down.

Leshoure didn't need to rely on the likes of Jon Kitna, JT O'Sullivan, and Dan Orlovsky. He has a potent offense and nickel defenses all day long. We schemed whole halfs geared towards running the ball. Still he didn't show one flash of talent, which could not be said of CJ his rookie year. With him it was a matter of when not if.

You could say the oline blew on last years iteration of the Lions and I would believe you, but even with that crappy line Bell outshone him. Btw that "good" 2007 team lost about 20 straight following that 6-2 start, I am sure the 2012 team would whip that 2007 team hands down.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Leshoure didn't need to rely on the likes of Jon Kitna, JT O'Sullivan, and Dan Orlovsky. He has a potent offense and nickel defenses all day long. We schemed whole halfs geared towards running the ball. Still he didn't show one flash of talent, which could not be said of CJ his rookie year. With him it was a matter of when not if.

You could say the oline blew on last years iteration of the Lions and I would believe you, but even with that crappy line Bell outshone him. Btw that "good" 2007 team lost about 20 straight following that 6-2 start, I am sure the 2012 team would whip that 2007 team hands down.

No, just the likes of Raiola (who we all agree is one of the worst run blockers in the league) Peterman, Backus, and Cherilus. ...all terrible run blockers... no FB, a spread offense and playcalling that was questionable at best.

I'd say that pretty much equals out to Kitnas talent throwing the ball.

 

[mhughes0021]

No, just the likes of Raiola (who we all agree is one of the worst run blockers in the league) Peterman, Backus, and Cherilus. ...all terrible run blockers... no FB, a spread offense and playcalling that was questionable at best.

I'd say that pretty much equals out to Kitnas talent throwing the ball.

playcalling was real bad at times. i remember a 2nd and 10 from the 11 and they called one of those let leshoure run for 3 yard plays and wasted a down. And we wonder why staff had less touchdowns last year? How the hell is a 3rd n 7 from the 8 going to help anyone? if anything it makes the throwing angles harder down there. Should be going endzone 3 times from the 11.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Bad blocking, bad play-calling or whatnot - he should have done better against a strong pass defense.

He was coming off an injury so I'll give him a little slack but this season he needs to improve mightily. If not, you cut bait.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Bad blocking, bad play-calling or whatnot - he should have done better against a strong pass defense.

He was coming off an injury so I'll give him a little slack but this season he needs to improve mightily. If not, you cut bait.

I think we ALL can agree on that. Just saying we can't just point to LeShoure being "bad" as the ONLY problem.

He ABSOLUTELY needs to improve, too!

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think we ALL can agree on that. Just saying we can't just point to LeShoure being "bad" as the ONLY problem.

He ABSOLUTELY needs to improve, too!

The blame goes around. LeShoure is just one ingredient.

 

[motown1958]

I think Leshoure was still really hindered by the achilles because he looked awfully tentative. He made some very illusive plays but not the acceleration which if you look at other players returning from this injury thats where they are most effected. I believe he will be more explosive this year but if he isnt then they need to sit him.

 

[jrange378]

It wasn't all how the blocking was, Leshoure ran like shit too. Its pretty obvious he has no talent his injury held him back badly. Even when he got into open field he never did anything one time. Thats sad.

And other running backs have had more success and ran off explosive plays behind the same O-line. Best most notably, but even Bell last year was better and averaged more yards than Leshoure. But its the O-line?