Lions signed DE Israel Idonije

[boogerlovejoy]

Seriously what an apt screen name for that guy. Something everyone wants to get rid of but somehow returns on a regular basis to serve no purpose other than general annoyance.

BTW the reading comprehension shtick is about as dated on internet message boards as an AOL online CD. If you think LeSuspect is in some way shape or form good come out and say it if not go back to your nose cavity and crystallize.

It's not a shtick......if you honestly think LKP was comparing LeShoure to Richardson you need to go back to middle school when the rest of us learned that.

Otherwise, you were just being a dick.

Either way......not good for you, Corky.

 

[inkfreq]

I'm not about to get in the middle of the he said / she said shit, but I will say that Leshore is more talented than last year's numbers show.

Remember, and Achilles injury is supposed to be a 2 year rehab, and we already know the trainers didn't feel Leshore was 100% healthy last season. And he STILL put up 3.7 YPC with no explosion to his step.

Yep, I think he's going to be a very good RB this season. I think his YPC will go to about 4.5 and his running style will compliment Bush very nicely.

Plenty of weapons for the Lions this year if they can stay healthy.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Reiff isnt a Guard so unfortunately Peterman was the best option.

I realize that but IMO I always believe if a guy truly sucks, like Peterman, try someone else, anyone. Its not like Reiff is a small man. Listed 6'6' / 313 (that's for LKP).

Lots of guys play G after being drafted as a T.

I'll say this one last time, we had Peterman there :nod:

 

[tonyballs]

I realize that but IMO I always believe if a guy truly sucks, like Peterman, try someone else, anyone. Its not like Reiff is a small man. Listed 6'6' / 313 (that's for LKP).

Lots of guys play G after being drafted as a T.

I'll say this one last time, we had Peterman there :nod:

I know where Peterman played.

And ill say it one last time, Reiff is NOT a Guard, therefore he was not a better option. Possibly he could move to Guard but not right now....

 

[Mitchrapp]

I know where Peterman played.

And ill say it one last time, Reiff is NOT a Guard, therefore he was not a better option. Possibly he could move to Guard but not right now....

He's not a G but could move there but just not now..? :hehe:

 

[tonyballs]

He's not a G but could move there but just not now..? :hehe:

Let me clarify...lol. If he fails miserably at Tackle, he could possibly move because Tackle is a harder position to play then Guard. It wont hapoen though because Reiff will be a solid LT for years IMO

 

[Mitchrapp]

Let me clarify...lol. If he fails miserably at Tackle, he could possibly move because Tackle is a harder position to play. It wont hapoen though because Reiff will be a solid LT for years IMO

K :tup: I also believe he can be a good LT.

 

[tonyballs]

K :tup: I also believe he can be a good LT.

By default of course, right? lol

 

[mhughes0021]

I'm not about to get in the middle of the he said / she said shit, but I will say that Leshore is more talented than last year's numbers show.

Remember, and Achilles injury is supposed to be a 2 year rehab, and we already know the trainers didn't feel Leshore was 100% healthy last season. And he STILL put up 3.7 YPC with no explosion to his step.

Yep, I think he's going to be a very good RB this season. I think his YPC will go to about 4.5 and his running style will compliment Bush very nicely.

Plenty of weapons for the Lions this year if they can stay healthy.

Its all about production Ink. If I had a dime for everytime I heard how a lion was supposed to be better than his numbers showed lol. Everyone is supposed to be good....they just have a hard time showing it on the field. Hate it when that happens.

Leshoure sucked last year....therefor he sucks. If he runs for 4.5 ypc this year and is a nice complementary piece to Bush....then he will be good this year. Still doesn't change that he sucked last year. If he wants to get better he better start breaking tackles. We have Pettigrew who everyone on here but me says is a superior run blocker. We had Reiff playing fullback to get an extra blocker on the field. Yet we still couldn't run vs 6 in the box. It was embarrassing. A season long of 16 yards....is embarrassing.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm on the LeShoure sucks bandwagon..

 

[LKP]

9 TDS sucks?

4.0 YPC on a healthy groin with shit run blocking sucks? That fell to 3.7 after his injury.

Solid receiver with good YAC per reception sucks?


Your assessment of LeShoure is the only thing that sucks hughes.

Plus giving up on the guy after one year of play. That's just stupid.

 

[cheeno]

I'm pretty sure he was near dead last in yards after contact. Check out PFF elusive rating which takes that into account. Basically he goes down faster than a midget hooker.

The 9 TDs were gifts from our wideouts being inexplicably tackled within the 5 a stat LKP uses to bolster Stafford, who also ran in 4 TDs himself. Also I think 3 came vs a Jags team that had basically given up.

Will he be good? Maybe. Did he suck? Hell yes. Fuck we went out and paid 16 mil for a new running back. If he wasn't brought he to start I'm pretty sure they would have went with a cheaper option like LSH or Woodhead.

No one is allowed to simply suck on this team, everyone is going to be good, or would have been good. I would love to work for any of you guys if you took this attitude toward your employees/coworkers. For god sakes were like 22-60 over the last 4 years someone must have sucked at one time or another.

 

[inkfreq]

We had plenty of "suck" to go around Cheeno.Hell, Calvin Johnson's rookie year he had 756 yards on 48 catches and only 4 lousy TDs. I guess he sucked too, right?

You guys are seriously telling me that a gimped Mikel Leshore, in his first year of pro football, running behind an O-line that couldn't open holes for him, and still averages 3.7 YPC on 798 yards, adding another 214 in receptions (that's over 1,000 yards folks) a year after a major injury... sucks?

Holy fucking whale snot Batman, what in the hell do you people expect from first year players before you flush them down the commode? Is it 1,500 yards or bust? Is it 2,000 yards or bust?

Something tells me no matter what your benchmark for "production" is, as soon as a guy hits it, it wasn't good enough.

I'll take 1,000 all-purpose yards from a rookie playing on a bad ankle any day of the week, and I'll bet on that rookie to do better his 2nd year every time.

 

[cheeno]

We had plenty of "suck" to go around Cheeno.Hell, Calvin Johnson's rookie year he had 756 yards on 48 catches and only 4 lousy TDs. I guess he sucked too, right?

You guys are seriously telling me that a gimped Mikel Leshore, in his first year of pro football, running behind an O-line that couldn't open holes for him, and still averages 3.7 YPC on 798 yards, adding another 214 in receptions (that's over 1,000 yards folks) a year after a major injury... sucks?

Holy fucking whale snot Batman, what in the hell do you people expect from first year players before you flush them down the commode? Is it 1,500 yards or bust? Is it 2,000 yards or bust?

Something tells me no matter what your benchmark for "production" is, as soon as a guy hits it, it wasn't good enough.

I'll take 1,000 all-purpose yards from a rookie playing on a bad ankle any day of the week, and I'll bet on that rookie to do better his 2nd year every time.

Calvin Johnson's team sucked, his qb sucked, and he was sill behind Roy Williams in the pecking order. CJ made plays that showed he could be special. LeSuss had every and I mean every chance to succeed from touches, scheme, to what the other teams gave us and we got the absolute minimum. Not one play were you went oh thats how good he can or would be barring injury. A half decent back would have far surpassed Leshoure's output last year (even Bell full time I gotta believe). This offense is a running backs dream.

So there is no magical output benchmark like you suggest, just what should have been given the advantages he got, even the coaches and front office can see/saw it. Believe me after drafting back to back RBs I'm sure the last thing the expected that they would need to FA another full time starter at that position. Leshoure is the poor mans Shonn Green.

 

[LKP]

I'm pretty sure he was near dead last in yards after contact. Check out PFF elusive rating which takes that into account. Basically he goes down faster than a midget hooker.

The 9 TDs were gifts from our wideouts being inexplicably tackled within the 5 a stat LKP uses to bolster Stafford, who also ran in 4 TDs himself. Also I think 3 came vs a Jags team that had basically given up.

Will he be good? Maybe. Did he suck? Hell yes. Fuck we went out and paid 16 mil for a new running back. If he wasn't brought he to start I'm pretty sure they would have went with a cheaper option like LSH or Woodhead.

No one is allowed to simply suck on this team, everyone is going to be good, or would have been good. I would love to work for any of you guys if you took this attitude toward your employees/coworkers. For god sakes were like 22-60 over the last 4 years someone must have sucked at one time or another.

I was talking about YAC per reception. LeShoure was good. In the run game he didn't have the open space and thus had to move piles himself. LeShoure did not SUCK. And even if he did, you don't give up on the guy after one year.

And you can suck on certain plays but not overall. 3 fumbles, some slips but overall he didn't suck and he was hindered by bad run blocking despite the 6 and 7 man fronts. The thing that sucked was Backus, Raiola, peterman and Gosders run blocking. Pettigrew at times too. Plus you won't be very elusive with a messed up groin and ankle.

 

[cheeno]

I was talking about YAC per reception. LeShoure was good. In the run game he didn't have the open space and thus had to move piles himself. LeShoure did not SUCK. And even if he did, you don't give up on the guy after one year.

Joique Bell an UDFA out of Wayne State did much more with that same space. Of course they aren't going to scrap him yet, but the guy will have to do a complete one eighty to his game.

 

[LKP]

Joique Bell an UDFA out of Wayne State did much more with that same space. Of course they aren't going to scrap him yet, but the guy will have to do a complete one eighty to his game.

Bell had about 130 less carries and didn't play on a hurt groin or a recovering achilles. Run blocking can differ from play to play as well. Maybe Bell just got lucky their were holes on certain plays where he had big runs that drove his average up on limited carries.

Do you really think Bell with 130 more carries of bad run blocking would have had that good of YPC.

Getting Bush was a help with being even more elusive. But better run blocking will drive his YPC too. Luckily, the Lions really just need Bush as a receiver. Any run game is icing on the cake for this offense.

 

[cheeno]

Now you're stretching Bell got lucky and got all the good carries?

 

[LKP]

Bell had limited carries. One against Indy that were not a good run defense team. And the 2 big ones against Houston I didn't see very much blocking like that the rest of the year. Those 3 runs jacked up his YPC for sure. Limited carries for Bell and Bell was healthier.

Answer the question, 130 more carries for Bell, would he have such a good YPC?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Calvin Johnson's team sucked, his qb sucked, and he was sill behind Roy Williams in the pecking order. CJ made plays that showed he could be special. LeSuss had every and I mean every chance to succeed from touches, scheme, to what the other teams gave us and we got the absolute minimum. Not one play were you went oh thats how good he can or would be barring injury. A half decent back would have far surpassed Leshoure's output last year (even Bell full time I gotta believe). This offense is a running backs dream.

So there is no magical output benchmark like you suggest, just what should have been given the advantages he got, even the coaches and front office can see/saw it. Believe me after drafting back to back RBs I'm sure the last thing the expected that they would need to FA another full time starter at that position. Leshoure is the poor mans Shonn Green.

Scheme?? Are you f'n serious? You're telling me that a power back (230 lbs) running out of a spread offense in which 75% - 85% of his carries are shotgun draws is a scheme advantage?? Really? Do you know anything about football?

LeShoure was drafted as a compliment RB. Someone who could spell Best, get the tough goal line yards and eat clock in the event that the Lions are ahead in the 4th quarter. Problem was, without Best back (which Mayhew admitted was his biggest mistake.....counting on Best to be healthy last year) he was forced into a full time role in an offense that DOES NOT fit his style. Couple that with horrible run blocking by the O-line and LeShoure coming off a brutal injury for a RB....and you get his 2012 production.

Simplifing it by just saying he sucks without looking at the reasons is stupidity. Guess Larry Fitzgerald sucks too.....LeShoure outperformed him by a mile.

I don't care if you think LeShoure has a bright future or not......everyone can have their own opinion. In fact, I don't think he is right for the offense at all and wouldn't be upset if they traded him. However, that doesn't mean he sucks.