Stafford first Lion QB in 44 years.....

[LKP]

And STILL managed an 89 rating because he is so freaking inaccurate. How sad is that? Throws 3 tds to 0 picks, and it's completely misleading because he had a HORRIBLE game.

Aaron Rodgers also has a Super Bowl, the best TD/INT ratio in the history of the game. Stafford can't sniff his socks.

Inaccurate or poor separation, poor protection and drops?

Stafford had a 98 rating on aimed passes (20/37 3 TDs). Not counting the 3 hit as thrown and 1 throwaway. Those 4 incompletes dropped him to 89.

Under pressure for 11 throws. 10 incompletions from pressure (3 hit as thrown and 1 throwaway).

20/41 overall. So 10 is pressure from the 21. 1 drop of the 11. Were 10 other incompletes Stafford missing or was it separaton issues? Stay tuned.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Rodgers is 3-10 in the last 3 years on the road against .500 teams.

Stafford had 3 Tds and 0 ints in that same game too.

Is there an implication that GB is a less flawed team than the 2014 Lions? GB's defense the last three years has been average to poor. They've only ever won consistently when their offense was rolling. Detroit in 2015 had a below average to poor offense and only ever won consistently when their defense was rolling. The last time Detroit won consistently with offense was 2011, and not a single one of their 10 wins came against a team over .500, home or away.

Further, 3-10 is still quite a bit better than 0-infinity.

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah, like that one throw where Golden Tate was standing there wide open, and he threw it two miles over his head?

 

[LKP]

Is there an implication that GB is a less flawed team than the 2014 Lions? GB's defense the last three years has been average to poor. They've only ever won consistently when their offense was rolling. Detroit in 2015 had a below average to poor offense and only ever won consistently when their defense was rolling. The last time Detroit won consistently with offense was 2011, and not a single one of their 10 wins came against a team over .500, home or away.

Further, 3-10 is still quite a bit better than 0-infinity.

GB had run game and protectoin. And some defense. For instance, same amount of turnovers forced as Detroit (27). Solid pass defense. GB 0-4 on road this year. And Rodgers gets MVP when he could throttled on road against good defenses every time.

Detroit didn't have enough defense at Patriots, at GB or at Dallas. They had some at Dallas but not enough with the big plays. But this was mainly the refs refusing to call holding and Mathis hurt so Vaughn gave up a big play. at Carolina we had little defense too.

Zona loss can be on Stafford (becasue we had run support too). However, we our weapons got pretty blanketed too. Buffalo loss is on the kicker.

 

[LKP]

Yeah, like that one throw where Golden Tate was standing there wide open, and he threw it two miles over his head?

Show me 9 others. Even a good QB gets 4 or 5 misses like that a game.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

The elite QBs had running games and protection. More support than Stafford bottomline.

Wilson struggled alot, but had the defense and run game for wins.

Stafford won with just one of those three things. Impossible to be elite when you have no protection AND no run game. Stafford did well considering the circumstances.

Cardinals defense is still very good and their QBs had protection. But they had the injury. Defense and protection and you can still win too despite offensive struggles.

I have to disagree on an important point here. You say "Stafford won with just one of those three things." That is far too narrow a statement. The Lions won with just one of those three things. There is an important separation there because I will never imply a single player is the singular most important factor to success on any team. Further, Stafford does not affect the defense except by starting field position. And it is notable that the offensive starting field position was 6th best while the defensive starting field position was 9th best. This would suggest the defense did NOT benefit from long fields created by the offense, while the offense likely benefitted from more short fields caused by the defense (again, 6th best starting field position).

The Lions won because their defense was great. There is little if any evidence to suggest that Stafford or the offense was driving success.

 

[LKP]

I have to disagree on an important point here. You say "Stafford won with just one of those three things." That is far too narrow a statement. The Lions won with just one of those three things. There is an important separation there because I will never imply a single player is the singular most important factor to success on any team. Further, Stafford does not affect the defense except by starting field position. And it is notable that the offensive starting field position was 6th best while the defensive starting field position was 9th best. This would suggest the defense did NOT benefit from long fields created by the offense, while the offense likely benefitted from more short fields caused by the defense (again, 6th best starting field position).

The Lions won because their defense was great. There is little if any evidence to suggest that Stafford or the offense was driving success.

13 missed FGs will hurt field position. I'd say special teams hurt the defense.

Stafford had 5 redzone ints. at Carolina, both Chicago, Gb home game, NO game to Thompson.

Factor in kick and punt returns too. Viking game alone Patterson had a big return and so did their punt returner.

 

[brewer229]

So what was the excuse last year? Not a good enough second WR?

So he can only be successful with top 5/10 defense, oline, WRs, TEs and running game.

Pretty much every QB ever drafted can be successful with that. No team has that. You are paid to throw the ball well. Start throwing the ball well.

 

[LKP]

So what was the excuse last year? Not a good enough second WR?

So he can only be successful with top 5/10 defense, oline, WRs, TEs and running game.

Pretty much every QB ever drafted can be successful with that. No team has that. You are paid to throw the ball well. Start throwing the ball well.

Not enough defense (gave up big plays), yes lack of weapons support (separation and drops). He can't catch a break and get most of them at once.

And they won 11 games. We need to stop acting like he wasn't successful with just defense. Enough plays were made by him for 11 wins. Every win I could give you several big Stafford throws.

 

[brewer229]

Not enough defense (gave up big plays), yes lack of weapons support (separation and drops). He can't catch a break and get most of them at once.

And they won 11 games. We need to stop acting like he wasn't successful with just defense. Enough plays were made by him for 11 wins. Every win I could give you several big Stafford throws.

Ok. Let's start with the Vikings game they won 16-14

 

[LKP]

Ok. Let's start with the Vikings game they won 16-14

3 FG drive and a big TD drive on pass after a short field int including to Tate. The FG drives were stopped by pressure, drops by Bell/Ross and Tate getting tackled short of sticks which is rare.

2 first down throws on first FG drive (only first downs by the way), 4 first down throws on second FG drive (every first down by the way). Third FG drive the 23 yarder to Calvin to put us in FG range. Ross also dropped a first down in the redzone which should have set up the GW TD not FG.

Most first half drives killed by penalties (Ross hold, Pettigrew hold on back to back drives), pressure on 3rd down causing a throw away on one drive and Tate tackled short of sticks on first drive too. A pass deep right to Fuller too there was PI that wasn't called on 3rd down for a stop. Only 3.6 YPC on the day but good running on last FG drive.

Good game by Stafford. No picks.

The defense supported him nicely with 2 short fields.

17/28. 3 throw aways and 2 drops. So only 6 could be his fault. A deep one to Calvin well covered, the PI on Fuller as I mentioned. A miss to Ebron and Ross. Bush late in game and another deep ball to Calvin.

2-3 throws is fine to miss.

 

[brewer229]

You aren't calling the TD pass and 23 harder to CJ great throws are you? I see you used the word big, sure they were important, but they we're throws anyone in the league could easily make. He wasn't a difference maker that game.

 

[LKP]

You aren't calling the TD pass and 23 harder to CJ great throws are you? I see you used the word big, sure they were important, but they we're throws anyone in the league could easily make. He wasn't a difference maker that game.

Stafford did his job. Good reads. You can't possibly take that away from him. Good throws too. Important big plays. Stafford makes it look easy.

You'd have to take away a ton of Rodgers throws if you did that. Nelson and Cobb are always very open.

I think the most important thing is that all the drives that stalled weren't really his fault either.

Stafford had a 97 rating in the game on aimed throws. The 3 throwaways drop it to 87 rating.

 

[tomdalton22]

looking at that MN game and I think it was a "true loss" for the Lions. MN had 3 missed FGs. Isn't that how LKP does it?

 

[LKP]

looking at that MN game and I think it was a "true loss" for the Lions. MN had 3 missed FGs. Isn't that how LKP does it?

One was blocked. Good job Jones
Others from 53 and 68. Usually misses from that distance.

True win.

 

[brewer229]

Stafford did his job. Good reads. You can't possibly take that away from him. Good throws too. Important big plays. Stafford makes it look easy.

You'd have to take away a ton of Rodgers throws if you did that. Nelson and Cobb are always very open.

I think the most important thing is that all the drives that stalled weren't really his fault either.

Easy 1st reads, easy throws, looked easy because it was easy. Great play calling Joe.


You are starting a team next year, 1st choice is QB, so you know nothing else about the team. You can choose Rodgers or Stafford who are you picking?

 

[LKP]

44, 47 and 50 against Buffalo. And Carpenter hit 58 yarder and missed 50.

True Lions win. 20-17. Should have made the 40 yarders.

 

[dubbsco]

I can't do an entire off-season of this. I just can't. It's too much.

 

[grandy]

Matt Stafford, the unluckiest QB in the history of the NFL

 

[LKP]

Easy 1st reads, easy throws, looked easy because it was easy. Great play calling Joe.


You are starting a team next year, 1st choice is QB, so you know nothing else about the team. You can choose Rodgers or Stafford who are you picking?

Stafford. Easy read.

Rodgers gets the separation, had run game last 2 years and protection. He's overrated.