Stafford Tops Sporting News' Overrated QB List

[grandy]

If going forward?

I bet fans are those teams are saying "if Orton/Fitz consistently put up numbers like Stafford it's a pretty good indication of what league Orton/Fitz is really in."

Probably not, one retired, the other will be fighting with Geno Smith. :lmao:

 

[LKP]

So would you say Ted Thompson is a much better GM than Mayhew? At least at acquiring and judging offensive talent?

Just for fun, since Matt has come into the league:

Rodgers

1910/2880 66.32% completion, 197 TDs, 43 Ints, 109.0 Rating. Even taking only Matt's best year, he was still about 12 points worse than Rodgers in rating. But damnit, they have Randall Cobb. Maybe we should invest in second round WRs.........oh wait.

Thompson is lucky they avoided injuries. He didn't even want Rodgers. And Thompson can't find many good defensive players

Mayhew is better

 

[LKP]

And that's the whole point, there's so many factors that EVERY QB has to detail with. This "poor Stafford" attitude could be applied, to some degree, to every QB in the league. Aaron Rodgers could put up better numbers under perfect circumstances.

The stats aren't perfect (though advancements are being made) but I do believe they're useful tools for comparison most of the time. If, going forward, Stafford consistently puts up stats with likes of Orton and Fitzpatrick, that becomes a pretty good indication of what league Stafford is really in.

And no it's not same for every qb

I just proved every almost every qb had better run support and protection in 2014.

Healthy lions offense will be top 5. Crow will be eaten by you all on stafford and this offense just like you had to eat with lions defense in 2014

 

[brewer229]

And no it's not same for every qb

I just proved every almost every qb had better run support and protection in 2014.

Healthy lions offense will be top 5. Crow will be eaten by you all on stafford and this offense just like you had to eat with lions defense in 2014

Part of that is oline, part RB, part QB. A good number of teams were basically stopping the run and daring Stafford to beat them. It makes sense run game would be down. Made for easier passing, however we didn't do a great job turning that into points.

 

[LKP]

Part of that is oline, part RB, part QB. A good number of teams were basically stopping the run and daring Stafford to beat them. It makes sense run game would be down. Made for easier passing, however we didn't do a great job turning that into points.

They play deep safeties on us. They dared us to run. Oline and bush injuries were huge. Stafford did not have proper support but still made enough plays for 11 wins. He deserved every second of defense we had and every single win

 

[tomdalton22]

Thompson is lucky they avoided injuries. He didn't even want Rodgers. And Thompson can't find many good defensive players

Mayhew is better

so Mayhew is better? Since Thompson has taken over the Packers won the NFC north 5 times, made the playoffs 6 times and won 6 playoff games including the SB. What has Mayhew done with the Lions? Have they won the division yet? Have they won a playoff game yet?

 

[dubbsco]

I haven't posted in here in a few months, and looks like I haven't missed a thing. We are still having this conversation lol.

 

[cheeno]

It's a long thread and someone might have said before, but Stafford is elite when everything is perfect.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's a long thread and someone might have said before, but Stafford is elite when everything is perfect.

No he isn't, that's the thing. Even at 100% perfect he's still average at tops.

 

[tomdalton22]

I haven't posted in here in a few months, and looks like I haven't missed a thing. We are still having this conversation lol.

yes...LKP is still trolling us and we keep taking the bait.

 

[mhughes0021]

Probably not, one retired, the other will be fighting with Geno Smith. :lmao:

Went out on the top of his game. ...putting up numbers similar to Stafford. Aka as a top 5 qb.

 

[Mitchrapp]

yes...LKP is still trolling us and we keep taking the bait.

Who's taking his bait? Laughing at a troll is not taking his bait..just having some fun.

 

[tomdalton22]

Who's taking his bait? Laughing at a troll is not taking his bait..just having some fun.

I think any response to that troll is taking his bait.

 

[LKP]

No he isn't, that's the thing. Even at 100% perfect he's still average at tops.

2011 he was elite and it was close to perfect. Since then far from perfect due to major injuries.

I proved he doesn't get the run support or protection like other QBs.

Many of the ints were not his fault. Many drops. It skews the QB rating.

 

[tomdalton22]

2011 he was elite and it was close to perfect. Since then far from perfect due to major injuries.

I proved he doesn't get the run support or protection like other QBs.

Many of the ints were not his fault. Many drops. It skews the QB rating.

truly elite QBs are great regardless. Look at Rodgers numbers that year. He had less than 4.0 YPC, sacked more than 33 times and had the same number of takeaways as the Lions.

His QB rating... 122.5
Stafford's........ 97.2

Even when Stafford has a perfect situation and AR had things going against him he still blows Stafford out of the water!

 

[grandy]

Most of Stafford's ints were not his fault? Fantastic

Now what about all the other QBs, should I assume they weren't at fault for most of their ints too? Does anyone have a true int list? What about dropped ints?

 

[LKP]

truly elite QBs are great regardless. Look at Rodgers numbers that year. He had less than 4.0 YPC, sacked more than 33 times and had the same number of takeaways as the Lions.

His QB rating... 122.5
Stafford's........ 97.2

Even when Stafford has a perfect situation and AR had things going against him he still blows Stafford out of the water!

Here is the difference. Rodgers had multiple healthy weapons that year. Nelson, Jennings in his prime, Jones, Finley and Cobb. Everyone got open. Stafford didn't have the WR 3, WR 4 and TE production in 2014 and Calvin was hurt for 5 games. Big difference.

3.9 YPC is much closer to 4.0 than 3.6 YPC too.

Also 38 turnovers forced by GB defense that year. Much more than 27 Stafford got.

And you need to look at the hits and hurries too for protection. And drops %.

Also Rodgers wasn't learning a new offense.

And 2011 Stafford was sacked 36 times in 2011 and run game was just ok despite the YPC. Very high highs in run game and very low lows in 2011. The turnovers and weapon health were there.

 

[LKP]

Most of Stafford's ints were not his fault? Fantastic

Now what about all the other QBs, should I assume they weren't at fault for most of their ints too? Does anyone have a true int list? What about dropped ints?

Some QBs have most of the ints that is on the QB. Some might have 2-3 only. Some could be more (doubtful). In Stafford's case, many weren't his fault. 6 out of 600 attempts that are truly his fault is a great job by Stafford protecting the football. No matter what.

 

[LKP]

If you have run support and protection, you can have alot of TDs and it helps lower your ints. The more for each the better obviosly.

If you have boatload of turnover support (way over 30) from your defense, your QB can have alot of TDs and a good QB rating. And needs less attempts so less risk of ints. I'd say Stafford's 41 TD season had a lot to do with our defense forcing 34 turnovers. Stafford got a chance to shine. And as an elite QB he did shine.

2012 run and protection issues, drop issues, only 17 turnovers force. Injured defense that gives up leads. Zero chance to shine.

2013 had protection and run support (not alot at just exactly 4 YPC) but had drop issues and 22 turnovers forced. Some chance to shine and some shining with his 29 TDs, good 3rd % and good yardage and good first downs amounts. The ints we have gone over why they aren't his fault. Many drops too. Hurts comp % and hurts QB ratinng. Injured secondary that gives up extra big plays. 9 losses

2014 Stafford, new offense, no protection and run support, many weapon and Oline injuries. 27 turnovers helped but not way over 30. Some chance to shine. He did shine avoiding turnover, and getting crucial TDS and first downs. 11 wins. But the stats aren't there without run support, weapon health and protection.

 

[LKP]

2015 Stafford should have more protection and run support. He still has a defense that can make stops and not give up many big plays. Staying healthy of course.

35 TDs and 12 ints for Stafford looks likely with this roster and upgrades plus year 2 of the system. Barring major injuries of course, especially concentrated injuries.