Stafford Tops Sporting News' Overrated QB List

[tonyballs]

I think they are basing it on perception around the league and by fans in general. Most of us know he is in that mid range of QBs which is backed up by his actual stats. I think that perception around the NFL and boneheaded fans is that he is a top NFL QB.

Not true at all. If you're talking FF, then maybe

 

[tomdalton22]

Not true at all. If you're talking FF, then maybe

I think FF has something to do with his perception. People that don't follow the Lions think he is great...maybe FF has a lot to do with that.

 

[dubbsco]

Believe it or not, when the game starts, I'm rooting for him to do well and the team to win. I don't have a personal vendetta against him so I can bring it back to this board to say, "see!!!"

But all I can discuss is what I've seen on the field. And that is an average QB, with his stats backing up his averageness. I know you are holding on by the tips of your fingers to the Stafford Express. And again, if he doesn't do well, it's okay to move on.

 

[LKP]

see...backups can take the place of starters and have success. That is what happens when you have a good GM that does well in the draft. You continue to prove Thompson >>> Mayhew!

Whitehead, IAQ, Mosley, Golden Tate moving to number 1 WR, Swanson at center, Lucas later in the year. Great job Mayhew. Depth

Lions have a better roster than GB. Great job Mayhew.

 

[LKP]

Wilson's talent helps Wilson run well. At the point he runs, blocking has little to do with it. How many big hits did Wilson take, he is nothing like RGIII. You put Wilson and Stafford on the same team, Wilson will always have better rushing stats.

Also Bush and Bell combined for better average than Lynch. It is a fact.

Lynch stacked the box. Bell and Bush had open boxes.

Some plays are designed runs for Wilson. Blocking has alot to do with it. Staffords "runs" are botched passing plays with bad blocking.

 

[LKP]

How many playoff wins does Stafford have.
How many wins on the road verses teams over .500
How many wins over teams with a wining record period.
How many Super Bowl's Has Matt directed the Lions too. (See #1).

You can say how great he is LKP but facts are he does not deliver in the
clutch and until he does he will just be a average QB.

Matt has delivered in the clutch. Major concentrated injuries to good players and the refs let us down. Both playoff games.

Houston hurt 2nd Qtr, gimpy Delmas and Spievey concussed and playing. Plus block in back allowed on Saints on crucial 4th down play they converted and the refs blowing the whistle when Durant picked up the fumble and would have scored.

Mathis hurt 2nd Qtr, Bentley/Lawson leading to Seisay out of position at nickel, Warford/Swanson hurt and Waddle/Hilliard and Fairley and Tulloch injuries plus terrible reffing (holding by Cowboys Oline and non PI call).

Matt is 2-0 in playoffs as fas as I'm concerend. Played great in both games.

 

[brewer229]

Matt has delivered in the clutch.

Sure maybe once in awhile...but let's look at what people would consider clutch time. 4th quarter +/- 7 point game.

245/452 (54.2%), 2823 Yards (6.2 YPA), 21 TDs, 11 Ints, 78.6 Rating

Does that stat line make you feel comfortable in a close and late game/clutch time? Hmm, who will be blamed for these less than stellar stats.

 

[LKP]

Sure maybe once in awhile...but let's look at what people would consider clutch time. 4th quarter +/- 7 point game.

245/452 (54.2%), 2823 Yards (6.2 YPA), 21 TDs, 11 Ints, 78.6 Rating

Does that stat line make you feel comfortable in a close and late game/clutch time? Hmm, who will be blamed for these less than stellar stats.

I look at tape and not stats. I look at protection (Reiff missing a block anyone). What if Wilson got drilled in the NFC Champ game during their come back.

I look at drops. I look at ints not his fault. I look at separation. I look at how defenses play us.

Misses and bad decisions are few from Stafford on tape.

Yes I'm comfortable with Stafford and his clutch numerous comebacks.

 

[inkfreq]

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times... over the years Stafford has had trouble overthrowing any receiver who is not 6'4" or taller. I think the guy has adjusted his arm angle and body mechanics to throw at a target who can go up about 12 feet and pull one down, and struggled with shorter guys who can't.

While the stats may not show it, I think he actually did better last year targeting Tate, who is a long was from Calvin's height. But he's still got a long way to go to show me he can find other targets and hit them accurately in stride.

People have to come back to the ball a lot with him, which is not what we want to see. So while most people saw regression last year, I saw signs of progress from a QB, and regression from the overall offense.

I'm not ready to write the guy off by any means, but I can't agree with statements like "Miss and bad decisions are few from Stafford on tape" because that's complete bullshit.

 

[brewer229]

I look at tape and not stats. I look at protection (Reiff missing a block anyone). What if Wilson got drilled in the NFC Champ game during their come back.

I look at drops. I look at ints not his fault. I look at separation. I look at how defenses play us.

Misses and bad decisions are few from Stafford on tape.

Yes I'm comfortable with Stafford and his clutch numerous comebacks.

This is based on 452 attempts. Pretty good indication on how he plays. Far more accurate than basing it on a few generic plays you pretend to refer too.

 

[tomdalton22]

Matt is 2-0 in playoffs as fas as I'm concerend.

you are the only one on earth that thinks this way!

 

[brewer229]

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times... over the years Stafford has had trouble overthrowing any receiver who is not 6'4" or taller. I think the guy has adjusted his arm angle and body mechanics to throw at a target who can go up about 12 feet and pull one down, and struggled with shorter guys who can't.

While the stats may not show it, I think he actually did better last year targeting Tate, who is a long was from Calvin's height. But he's still got a long way to go to show me he can find other targets and hit them accurately in stride.

People have to come back to the ball a lot with him, which is not what we want to see. So while most people saw regression last year, I saw signs of progress from a QB, and regression from the overall offense.

I'm not ready to write the guy off by any means, but I can't agree with statements like "Miss and bad decisions are few from Stafford on tape" because that's complete bullshit.

There was some progress, but the majority of the progress was a result of taking the game out of his hands. The problem I have with Stafford is he isn't good enough to go out and be your franchise..yes you can win you a few games, but also is going to lose you more than a few games. However he isn't as good of a game manager as like an Alex smith, so even with a top tier defense it's tough to win meaningful games with him.

No matter how he plays he comes out to being average at best. Our best bet is he catches that magic in a bottle (like Giants game in 2014) and puts an Eli Manning like streak together at the right time. There is no way you can look at him and say I feel comfortable with him making a Superbowl run. All you can do is, well if everything goes right and our defense plays really well, you can probably win a Superbowl with him..I mean yea probably.

 

[tomdalton22]

Sure maybe once in awhile...but let's look at what people would consider clutch time. 4th quarter +/- 7 point game.

245/452 (54.2%), 2823 Yards (6.2 YPA), 21 TDs, 11 Ints, 78.6 Rating

Does that stat line make you feel comfortable in a close and late game/clutch time? Hmm, who will be blamed for these less than stellar stats.

concentrated injuries, drops, refs

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Sure maybe once in awhile...but let's look at what people would consider clutch time. 4th quarter +/- 7 point game.

245/452 (54.2%), 2823 Yards (6.2 YPA), 21 TDs, 11 Ints, 78.6 Rating

Does that stat line make you feel comfortable in a close and late game/clutch time? Hmm, who will be blamed for these less than stellar stats.

Those numbers aren't great. However.....and it is the same with any quarterback in those positions......there is going to be a large number of spikes and passes thrown away to stop the clock.

That will kill a comp %, YPA and rating. 21 TD's in 452 attempts is fairly decent, actually. 11 INT's is also above average.

Again, it's not just Stafford who is affected by that......but those numbers you posted are also pretty generic. I'd be more interested in the W/L record in those close games.....especially the last 4 years.

 

[LKP]

Stafford is not a game manager. 600 attempts is not a game manager. Stafford is anything good about our offense. Due to injuries he didn't get the protectoin and run support he deserves so his numbers looked worst than what they actual should have been.

464 attempts from Alex Smith with 4.6 YPC run support and top 3 defense. That is a game manager.

 

[mhughes0021]

Stafford is not a game manager. 600 attempts is not a game manager. Stafford is anything good about our offense. Due to injuries he didn't get the protectoin and run support he deserves so his numbers looked worst than what they actual should have been.

464 attempts from Alex Smith with 4.6 YPC run support and top 3 defense. That is a game manager.

youre right...if he could actually manage a game wed have more wins with him at the helm. But he continues to run up the middle vs 8 man box and throw vs a 6 man box. He doesn't manage anything....

 

[tomdalton22]

youre right...if he could actually manage a game wed have more wins with him at the helm. But he continues to run up the middle vs 8 man box and throw vs a 6 man box. He doesn't manage anything....

come on...Stafford has managed a lot of things.

He has managed to go winless in the playoffs, managed to go winless vs. teams with winning records on the road, he has managed to never finish the season with a QB rating over 100....the list goes on and on!

 

[LKP]

youre right...if he could actually manage a game wed have more wins with him at the helm. But he continues to run up the middle vs 8 man box and throw vs a 6 man box. He doesn't manage anything....

We won 11 games. Are you blind?

And LOL at you thinking you know what the play call should be and making false accusations that he runs on 8 man boxes.

 

[brewer229]

Those numbers aren't great. However.....and it is the same with any quarterback in those positions......there is going to be a large number of spikes and passes thrown away to stop the clock.

That will kill a comp %, YPA and rating. 21 TD's in 452 attempts is fairly decent, actually. 11 INT's is also above average.

Again, it's not just Stafford who is affected by that......but those numbers you posted are also pretty generic. I'd be more interested in the W/L record in those close games.....especially the last 4 years.

The thing is, its not. Most QB put up very similar to their career numbers. The numbers are worse then "not great", they are down right horrible.

Lets compare him to the arguably the best QB. Aaron Rodgers:
353/565 (62.5%), 4,387 Yards, 31 TDs, 10 Ints, 97.4 Rating

Lets compare him to what most call a huge choker (not my opinion). Tony Romo:
450/699 (64.4%), 5814 Yards, 43 TDs, 20 Ints, 99.0 Rating.

I'm not sure win or loss, but just based on career averages I'm guessing AR is winning most, Tony Romo is 50/50, and Stafford is losing more than winning.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Matt has delivered in the clutch.

4 years ago.