Tired of talking about 2013 and before.....

[cheeno]

So he has everything he needs like i said. And 4700 and 30 tds is really good genius.

I'm expecting more than really good. You must not be a true fan.

 

[LKP]

I'm expecting more than really good. You must not be a true fan.

I am the best most informed fan. I know what it takes for them to win. Agree 5,000 and 41 is most likely but we only need 4700 and 30 really

 

[cheeno]

I am the best most informed fan. I know what it takes for them to win. Agree 5,000 and 41 is most likely but we only need 4700 and 30 really

I recently rewatched all the film from the 2011 season and I concluded that 5,000 and 41 is the absolute floor for a team that has upgraded that benchmark by adding two more top ten draft picks and last years number one reciever on a Super Bowl run since 2011. I also forgot to add that Reilly Rieff was a first round pick, that makes six first round picks on one offense - four on skill positions outside of quarterback...and that is only in the last five years! If that's not a recipie for success I don't know what is. We also have hired a coaching staff specifically tailored to offensive production and quarterback play since 2011...translation - upgrade, offense.

Mayhew has created a offensive juggernaut with talent the likes the NFL has never seen 4700 and 30 would be a total disappointment and put us on par with average Packers or good Bears years. I suggest you rewatch the 2011 season and re-evaluate. Also everything that happened since 2011 was due to bad luck, so I believe our offensive progression should start from that point. Meaning that anything less would be a step back. Don't you agree?

 

[dubbsco]

Cheeno, they spend all of those draft picks on offense because the franchise quarterback does not know how to improve others around him.

You know what teams draft a tight end in the first round? Teams that have no glaring weaknesses, and draft a luxury pick to help boost the offense. Lions have enough glaring weaknesses, and yet they still went Millen-style.

 

[cheeno]

Cheeno, they spend all of those draft picks on offense because the franchise quarterback does not know how to improve others around him.

You know what teams draft a tight end in the first round? Teams that have no glaring weaknesses, and draft a luxury pick to help boost the offense. Lions have enough glaring weaknesses, and yet they still went Millen-style.

Dub...remember its not a luxury pick because he's not just a TE but he's a Slot/TE Hybrid filling the Jimmy Graham role that is an absolute need in this offense. But if he puts up bogus numbers that's okay too he's just a rookie and only a TE to boot and he can't be as good as Jimmy Graham was in his first full year starting because we're Lions fans and our expectations have to be low and we have to keep the door open that he may be good someday. So in summary, if you have been keeping track of the arguments around here, it was a need pick that we don't need right away.... and I get called out because I expect or Slot/Hybrid super TE non luxury need pick should play like one.

 

[mhughes0021]

Dub...remember its not a luxury pick because he's not just a TE but he's a Slot/TE Hybrid filling the Jimmy Graham role that is an absolute need in this offense. But if he puts up bogus numbers that's okay too he's just a rookie and only a TE to boot and he can't be as good as Jimmy Graham was in his first full year starting because we're Lions fans and our expectations have to be low and we have to keep the door open that he may be good someday. So in summary, if you have been keeping track of the arguments around here, it was a need pick that we don't need right away.... and I get called out because I expect or Slot/Hybrid super TE non luxury need pick should play like one.

people making excuses for ebrons potential lack of production already lmao....its frikken genius. Its like they expect mayhew to fail at everything he does now so they have to pre build in low expectations for even top 10 picks just to make mayhew/Stafford and co. look better....its genius!

 

[mhughes0021]

I'm not dealing in hypothetical ifs here, homes. If this offense isn't as good or better than 2011 Mayhew should take his ball and go home...to borrow Tonys expression. I think that's the low end of production...on the high end we should be more like the 2013 Broncos.

Main difference being Manning made Decker, a 3rd rd wr, look like the best white position player this century.

Manning made Julius Thomas, a 4th rd te with very little football experience, into an all pro.

Stafford turns 3rd round wrs like kris durham into complete dog doodoo.

Stafford needs his team to completely blow top 10 draft picks on a TE cause they know tate, cj, bush, bell jut isn't enough for him to succeed.

Staffords back to back years of completely falling apart the 2nd half of the season got his entire coaching staff fired. Mayhews priority turns to finding a brand new coaching staff that can cater to Stafford.

Do you guys see ANYTHING wrong with all this? ANYTHING at all? Stafford fails this year you have to pull the plug....hes taking up WAY too much money to suck this bad and have an entire team catered to you just so you can continually fail at your job. Stafford fails...mayhew should be out the door with him for making all these horrible decisions to completely build the team around him.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I am the best most informed fan. I know what it takes for them to win. Agree 5,000 and 41 is most likely but we only need 4700 and 30 really

You can't quanify it like that. There are other parts of the game..most noticeably the defense. And they're not good.

 

[LKP]

The defense is very good. Suh, fairley, Ansah. First rounders.

Levy,tulloch and quin. Studs

Mathis and Ihedigbo nice vets and slay and van noy good talent.

No holes on defense either

 

[mhughes0021]

The defense is very good. Suh, fairley, Ansah. First rounders....they are very good at hurries....which didn't help much at all last year.

Levy,tulloch and quin. I love talking about luck all the time...levys season was the luckiest season Ive ever seen on all my years of watching and rewatching tape over and over and over again.

Mathis and Ihedigbo nice vets....which is a nice way of saying need to be replaced by quality younger players. and slay and van noy good talent....which is a nice way of saying who the hell knows how they will do cause one of them was benched 4 times last year and the other hasn't played a snap yet.

No holes on defense either except for DE, corner, safety and any resemblance of quality depth.

fixed....

 

[LKP]

Ansah, suh and fairley gets sacks and hits too. And qbs ratings go yo shit with hits and hurries. Every qb.

Levy was a playmaker around the ball. And again not luck, great recognition and also dline pressure. Hurries again important. Tulloch is a top 5 lb and Quin is a very good safety.

Ihedigbo and Mathis are quality starters. Zero need to replace them.

I know slay will have a good year and lbs with talent like van noy produce all the time as rookies.

This team is hole less. Taylor, greenwood,green,Carey,iaq is good depth. Lb is only unknown other than Palmer who is clearly good depth too

 

[tonyballs]

My bad..I should have said the ones who will get some PT. Not long shot rookies.

Long shot rookies? Pffffffffft.....you're so clueless lol

 

[tonyballs]

92]If he doesn't produce this year...luxury pick. Producing like you said Tony can be CJ going for 2K or him and Tate both going for 1500 or the run game blasting off. But his addition has to make an impact on an offense and a team that through their own admission is in win now mode, not rebuilding, not already a winner with a full complement. We should be 2011 good or Mayhew failed as reflected by the team he put together. Failed in his draft picks - not just Ebron's lack of impact but Stafford as well - failed in his FAs - not just on offense but his band aid defense - and failed in his 'choice' of coaching staff. So yes in a team that is in win now mode who runs a NO offense should expect NO production. I'll predict we go for 5000 yards and 41 passing touchdowns...if not our offense is a bust....does that work better for you Cappy?[/QUOTE]

Dumbest fn shit i have read in awhile on here...lol.

 

[tonyballs]

I'm not dealing in hypothetical ifs here, homes. If this offense isn't as good or better than 2011 Mayhew should take his ball and go home...to borrow Tonys expression. I think that's the low end of production...on the high end we should be more like the 2013 Broncos. Middle a super charged Saints of ever year. I mean that is the only conclusion when you have

The best receiver since Rice drafted 1.2 overall.
A Qb that put up 5000 and 41 but was unlucky and had his teammates choke drafted 1.1 overall.
A Super Bowl winning running back that went for 1000 last year and we are paying 16 mil over four years drafted 1.2 overall
An 'all around' TE we are paying 16 mil over four years who caught nearly 800 yards in 2011 drafted 1.20 overall
A TE we drafted at 1.10 overall to be the stud if the century.
The #1 receiver on last years Super Bowl winner.

And were shooting to be the Aaron Rodgerless Packers of 2013 stat wise on offense? Am I the slappy here?

2013 Broncos??? Holy fuck ......that's awesome!!!

 

[tonyballs]

Stafford is the only quarterback in history to play with 4 first round picks on offense. Three top 3 picks. 4 top ten. 5 in the first round including him...please fact check that for me genius.

What's your point?

 

[cheeno]

Dumbest fn shit i have read in awhile on here...lol.

2013 Broncos??? Holy fuck ......that's awesome!!!

What's your point?

Wow Tony what articulate and well thought out takes on the state of our franchise...I...I don't quite know how to respond.

 

[tonyballs]

people making excuses for ebrons potential lack of production already lmao....its frikken genius. Its like they expect mayhew to fail at everything he does now so they have to pre build in low expectations for even top 10 picks just to make mayhew/Stafford and co. look better....its genius!

Excuses??? You retards expect Jimmy Graham type numbers from a 1st year TE. You know why? Because you're all stupid. Do you enjoy setting yourself up for failure? Does it turn you on? I honestly don't get it. You're 150% delusional to think that he's going to produce those types of numbers. Beyond dumb.
He's a rookie. Let him be a rookie. I hope he goes out there and kills it for the numbers you're looking for, but in no way am i expecting it. But if you knew how to comprehend a sentence, it would all be so easy for you dummies. Sad thing is, you don't.

Ebron was drafted to help this offense. A kid who can split the seams, go deep over the middle of the field, take pressure off the other guys and help our QB. He's going to do well, but he's going to struggle some. Not one excuse in there....just reality.

 

[cheeno]

Excuses??? You retards expect Jimmy Graham type numbers from a 1st year TE. You know why? Because you're all stupid. Do you enjoy setting yourself up for failure? Does it turn you on? I honestly don't get it. You're 150% delusional to think that he's going to produce those types of numbers. Beyond dumb.
He's a rookie. Let him be a rookie. I hope he goes out there and kills it for the numbers you're looking for, but in no way am i expecting it. But if you knew how to comprehend a sentence, it would all be so easy for you dummies. Sad thing is, you don't.

Ebron was drafted to help this offense. A kid who can split the seams, go deep over the middle of the field, take pressure off the other guys and help our QB. He's going to do well, but he's going to struggle some. Not one excuse in there....just reality.

Clearly I enjoy setting myself up for failure or I wouldn't be such a huge Lions fan.

 

[tonyballs]

Wow Tony what articulate and well thought out takes on the state of our franchise...I...I don't quite know how to respond.

Thought out? Nothing to think about when all you're spewing is complete bullshit. Prepare yourself when Ebron doesn't become the next Jimmy Graham after year one. I sincerely hope that you don't have any loaded weapons in your house. Stay strong, buddy lmfao

 

[tonyballs]

Clearly I enjoy setting myself up for failure or I wouldn't be such a huge Lions fan.

Ummmmm it shows