Tired of talking about 2013 and before.....

[tonyballs]

Main difference being Manning made Decker, a 3rd rd wr, look like the best white position player this century.

Manning made Julius Thomas, a 4th rd te with very little football experience, into an all pro.

Stafford turns 3rd round wrs like kris durham into complete dog doodoo.

Stafford needs his team to completely blow top 10 draft picks on a TE cause they know tate, cj, bush, bell jut isn't enough for him to succeed.

Staffords back to back years of completely falling apart the 2nd half of the season got his entire coaching staff fired. Mayhews priority turns to finding a brand new coaching staff that can cater to Stafford.

Do you guys see ANYTHING wrong with all this? ANYTHING at all? Stafford fails this year you have to pull the plug....hes taking up WAY too much money to suck this bad and have an entire team catered to you just so you can continually fail at your job. Stafford fails...mayhew should be out the door with him for making all these horrible decisions to completely build the team around him.

Cater to Stafford? Where do you come up with this bullshit? All you guys do is tear this kid down. We finally start putting some guys in place for this offense to succeed and it's a bad thing. For the first time in his career, he's getting properly coached at the pro level. Real QB coaches. Not former defensive or strength coaches TURNED QB coach!! It's a positive thing....it's not negative.

 

[tonyballs]

You can't quanify it like that. There are other parts of the game..most noticeably the defense. And they're not good.

Not bad either. They were a middle of the road D last year.

 

[mhughes0021]

Thought out? Nothing to think about when all you're spewing is complete bullshit. Prepare yourself when Ebron doesn't become the next Jimmy Graham after year one. I sincerely hope that you don't have any loaded weapons in your house. Stay strong, buddy lmfao

he'll never be jimmy graham. jimmy graham was a mid round project that drew brees turned into great value by teaching him the game and making him better.

Julius Thomas was a mid round project that peyton manning turned into great value by teaching him the game and making him better.

My guess is Stafford does what hes always done....look at calvin then dump it down. Hes not going to make tate or ebron any better. And we would have got similar numbers out of a 7th rd duke basketball player than the top 10 te we decided to pick.

Not trying to speak for cheeno but what hes getting at is The only way ebron becomes great VALUE is if he becomes jimmy graham. By no means do I think Stafford has it in him to do that....therefor the pick will probably become a failure.

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah, finally get some pieces on offense for him. Maybe the constant 1st and 2nd round picks weren't enough? An o-line that basically never gives up sacks? Having the best WR in the game? Two RBs that are lethal out of the backfield? Signing a very solid 2nd WR for him?

Nah, they needed ANOTHER guy to cover up his piss poor ability to make others better. Tight ends are NEVER taken in the top 10, so he damn well better be the next stud TE in the NFL.

Stafford doesn't need to be white knighted. We are critical of him because he was chosen to turn this franchise into a winner. That's what is expected of a #1 overall draft pick. What we have received is a guy who can't handle pressure, and is not able to overcome difficult situations. Still working on his footwork after year 5.

 

[cheeno]

he'll never be jimmy graham. jimmy graham was a mid round project that drew brees turned into great value by teaching him the game and making him better.

Julius Thomas was a mid round project that peyton manning turned into great value by teaching him the game and making him better.

My guess is Stafford does what hes always done....look at calvin then dump it down. Hes not going to make tate or ebron any better. And we would have got similar numbers out of a 7th rd duke basketball player than the top 10 te we decided to pick.

Not trying to speak for cheeno but what hes getting at is The only way ebron becomes great VALUE is if he becomes jimmy graham. By no means do I think Stafford has it in him to do that....therefor the pick will probably become a failure.

Mayhem and Lombardi sold everyone on this guy as a linchpin of the NO offense we are running as reasoning why they picked him...a need pick - they're the ones stating the he will play the Jimmy Graham role on offense. They're the ones who are comparing him to Jimmy Graham. Mayhems disciples on this board and everywhere took up that argument defending it from the dreaded luxury pick moniker just look at old posts...but then immediately turn around and say we don't need Ebron to produce. Can't have it both ways. Can't have a non luxury take four years to develop (LKPs time frame).

I think we should raise our expectations a bit for a supposed need billed as an immense talent playing a position in an offense thar routinely sends 100+ targets his way often as the first option. Like you said Hughes the Millen and Mayhew years have screwed with the slappies heads so that they have to build in these low standards - especially for anyone Mayhem picks at offensive skill positions which have been 100% failures (think about that name one WR RB or TE that isn't a failure...must be a record). The way that the GM and the O Coordinator have framed Ebron anything less than a rookie of the year conversation should be a disappointment.

Then there are some out there like Tony who subconsciously still hates the pick but has brainwashed himself to love it. He's stuck in an existential crisis.

 

[LKP]

Yeah, finally get some pieces on offense for him. Maybe the constant 1st and 2nd round picks weren't enough? An o-line that basically never gives up sacks? Having the best WR in the game? Two RBs that are lethal out of the backfield? Signing a very solid 2nd WR for him?

Nah, they needed ANOTHER guy to cover up his piss poor ability to make others better. Tight ends are NEVER taken in the top 10, so he damn well better be the next stud TE in the NFL.

Stafford doesn't need to be white knighted. We are critical of him because he was chosen to turn this franchise into a winner. That's what is expected of a #1 overall draft pick. What we have received is a guy who can't handle pressure, and is not able to overcome difficult situations. Still working on his footwork after year 5.

Best young and broyles didnt play due to injuries. Just because the lions used multiple seconds on weapons doesn't mean life was easy for stafford. It was more difficult for stafford than most qbs IMO. Even with Calvin. Need multiple reliable weapons. Due to injury stafford didn't get that the last two years. So they went back to the drawing board. And they even waited a year for downfield weapons due to addressing de, cb, safety,guard and rb.

And you can't make Durham and ogltree off the street in October better. And maybe stafford did but all the drops and fumbles lost didn't allow it to show. That's a lot of drives lost.

 

[tonyballs]

he'll never be jimmy graham. jimmy graham was a mid round project that drew brees turned into great value by teaching him the game and making him better.

Julius Thomas was a mid round project that peyton manning turned into great value by teaching him the game and making him better.

My guess is Stafford does what hes always done....look at calvin then dump it down. Hes not going to make tate or ebron any better. And we would have got similar numbers out of a 7th rd duke basketball player than the top 10 te we decided to pick.

Not trying to speak for cheeno but what hes getting at is The only way ebron becomes great VALUE is if he becomes jimmy graham. By no means do I think Stafford has it in him to do that....therefor the pick will probably become a failure.

Then shut your fn mouth then. You've already labeled Ebron a failure because of your hatred for Stafford. You're a joke, buddy...

 

[tonyballs]

Yeah, finally get some pieces on offense for him. Maybe the constant 1st and 2nd round picks weren't enough? An o-line that basically never gives up sacks? Having the best WR in the game? Two RBs that are lethal out of the backfield? Signing a very solid 2nd WR for him?

Nah, they needed ANOTHER guy to cover up his piss poor ability to make others better. Tight ends are NEVER taken in the top 10, so he damn well better be the next stud TE in the NFL.

Stafford doesn't need to be white knighted. We are critical of him because he was chosen to turn this franchise into a winner. That's what is expected of a #1 overall draft pick. What we have received is a guy who can't handle pressure, and is not able to overcome difficult situations. Still working on his footwork after year 5.

Constant 1st and 2nd rounders?? Like Ryan Broyles? A kid that can't stay healthy. Sweet!! Pettigrew? A kid that was a blocking TE in college but has turned into a pretty decent pass-catching TE with Stafford as our QB. You're right!! Staffford had nothing to do with that...lmao. Oh yeah, how do i forget about Bush and Bell. Bush is a 1st rounder that has bounced from two teams before he landed in Detroit. And Bell was dogshit on the bottom of how many teams shoes before he landed in Detroit? Of course their succes has zero to do with Stafford again, right? lol. You're just so right, bro!! Stafford has done nothing....he's only broken and continuing to break every Lions fn QB record ever made. But wait!! We got Calvin!! How the hell could i forget?! IT'S ALL CALVIN .....well, in your eyes

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah, well it's pretty easy to break records of a franchise that doesn't have a single memorable QB in my lifetime, and also just as easy when you are throwing 50 times a game.

Yup, he's done nothing. Show me the playoff wins? How about show me even a decent QB rating? Nah, he's pretty much at the bottom with that. Very average TD/INT ratio. About as mobile as a parking meter.

As a #1 OVERALL pick, he's done nothing of significance for this franchise. Let me know when he wins something.

 

[tonyballs]

Mayhem and Lombardi sold everyone on this guy as a linchpin of the NO offense we are running as reasoning why they picked him...a need pick - they're the ones stating the he will play the Jimmy Graham role on offense. They're the ones who are comparing him to Jimmy Graham. Mayhems disciples on this board and everywhere took up that argument defending it from the dreaded luxury pick moniker just look at old posts...but then immediately turn around and say we don't need Ebron to produce. Can't have it both ways. Can't have a non luxury take four years to develop (LKPs time frame).

I think we should raise our expectations a bit for a supposed need billed as an immense talent playing a position in an offense thar routinely sends 100+ targets his way often as the first option. Like you said Hughes the Millen and Mayhew years have screwed with the slappies heads so that they have to build in these low standards - especially for anyone Mayhem picks at offensive skill positions which have been 100% failures (think about that name one WR RB or TE that isn't a failure...must be a record). The way that the GM and the O Coordinator have framed Ebron anything less than a rookie of the year conversation should be a disappointment.

Then there are some out there like Tony who subconsciously still hates the pick but has brainwashed himself to love it. He's stuck in an existential crisis.

I did hate the pick at first. I'm still not 100% sold on it, but i get the pick. I see what they're trying to do with it. Ebron brings a lot of qualities that Pettigrew or Fauria don't. You obviously have zero clue because you're expecting Graham numbers in year one.....lol. Have fun throwing shit against your wall when he doesn't go 8 rec 100 yds and 2 TDs every week....gonna be a long year for you, kid.

And show me quotes where the Lions coaches or management have called Ebron the next Jimmy Graham. Because the only thing i remember reading is Lombardi saying that the two were similar in their style of pkay and that Ebron could do some things like Graham and vice versa. Spin it though because that's what you heros do.

 

[dubbsco]

Wait a second... I could have sworn in a few threads ago, you said something to the effect of "Lmao Pettigrew??!! He sucks!!""

And now, "Pretty decent pass catching TE."

Well, when you draft a TE in the top 10, he damn well better be an impact. That's why he was taken. He wasn't taken to be groomed in 2-3 years. Team doesn't have the patience for that. So if he struggles in his first year, you are damn right we can be critical of the pick.

 

[tonyballs]

Yeah, well it's pretty easy to break records of a franchise that doesn't have a single memorable QB in my lifetime, and also just as easy when you are throwing 50 times a game.

Yup, he's done nothing. Show me the playoff wins? How about show me even a decent QB rating? Nah, he's pretty much at the bottom with that. Very average TD/INT ratio. About as mobile as a parking meter.

As a #1 OVERALL pick, he's done nothing of significance for this franchise. Let me know when he wins something.

Ahaaaaaaahaaa!! There it is!! Lions haven't had any good QBs, but they throw it so many times. Still gotta complete the throws and he's thrown to pure shit since he's been here besides CJ.

Stop putting all the blame on the QB for wins and losses. You sound like a fn idiot....it's pure ignorance on your part.

 

[cheeno]

I did hate the pick at first. I'm still not 100% sold on it, but i get the pick. I see what they're trying to do with it. Ebron brings a lot of qualities that Pettigrew or Fauria don't. You obviously have zero clue because you're expecting Graham numbers in year one.....lol. Have fun throwing shit against your wall when he doesn't go 8 rec 100 yds and 2 TDs every week....gonna be a long year for you, kid.

And show me quotes where the Lions coaches or management have called Ebron the next Jimmy Graham. Because the only thing i remember reading is Lombardi saying that the two were similar in their style of pkay and that Ebron could do some things like Graham and vice versa. Spin it though because that's what you heros do.

On the next Jimmy Graham

Tim Twentyman for Detroitlions.com

"Mayhew and Co. hope they have the next Jimmy Graham. At least that’s how they’ve explained the job to Ebron."

“He fits us because he can do some of the things that coach (Joe Lombardi) did with Jimmy Graham in New Orleans." MM

“The same way Jimmy Graham was (used) when (Lombardi) was coaching Jimmy Graham,” Ebron told reporters in a conference call after the pick about the role coaches have told him he'll have."

On the expectation to produce now:

"It’s a bold pick by Mayhew and one that puts the pressure on Ebron, Lombardi and the offense to be special in 2014."

"The Lions expect Ebron to have an immediate impact and he’ll need to for this offense to take off and the Lions fan base to feel better about the pick"

On the reasoning it was a need pick:

"Offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi spent the last five years as the quarterback coach in New Orleans and watched Graham become one of the best matchup weapons in the NFL. He’s bringing over a lot of those elements from the Saints offense to Detroit and needed to fill a role for an athletic tight end, one that could stretch the field vertically"

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/li...ic-Ebron/87d99c59-36d3-47dc-982e-013a2191b624

 

[dubbsco]

When did I put all of the blame on him for the wins and losses? Show me in my quote where I said, "Matt Stafford is responsible for them not winning?" Nah, just another case of you picking words and hoping they stick.

You are the #1 QB taken in a draft. I expect you to put this team on your shoulders and win games you wouldn't normally win. Take them to places no one has seen them before. That's what elite QBs do. Take teams to the next level. This guy has not done that. I don't know why you continue to white knight him. You should expect more.

 

[tonyballs]

Wait a second... I could have sworn in a few threads ago, you said something to the effect of "Lmao Pettigrew??!! He sucks!!""

And now, "Pretty decent pass catching TE."

Well, when you draft a TE in the top 10, he damn well better be an impact. That's why he was taken. He wasn't taken to be groomed in 2-3 years. Team doesn't have the patience for that. So if he struggles in his first year, you are damn right we can be critical of the pick.

I'm not a huge fan of Pettigrew!! But he scares nobody. I think it was you clamoring about how we have Pettigrew on this team and i laughed. Ebron>>>>Pettigrew.

Be critical all you want. That's your motherfn right!! But for the love of all that's holy, UNDERSTAND the game and see what he does on the field when he doesn't have the football. He'll be taking coverage away from certain players, he should be a threat with or without the ball because defenses are going to have to account for him. Don't kick your dog when he has 3 catches for 40 yds in one game. Look to see what everyone else is doing because he should play a major role in Tate and the rest of our secondary receivers.

 

[cheeno]

When did I put all of the blame on him for the wins and losses? Show me in my quote where I said, "Matt Stafford is responsible for them not winning?" Nah, just another case of you picking words and hoping they stick.

You are the #1 QB taken in a draft. I expect you to put this team on your shoulders and win games you wouldn't normally win. Take them to places no one has seen them before. That's what elite QBs do. Take teams to the next level. This guy has not done that. I don't know why you continue to white knight him. You should expect more.

We got 1 year of Farve and 4 of Jeff George.

 

[tonyballs]

On the next Jimmy Graham

Tim Twentyman for Detroitlions.com

"Mayhew and Co. hope they have the next Jimmy Graham. At least that?s how they?ve explained the job to Ebron."

?He fits us because he can do some of the things that coach (Joe Lombardi) did with Jimmy Graham in New Orleans." MM

?The same way Jimmy Graham was (used) when (Lombardi) was coaching Jimmy Graham,? Ebron told reporters in a conference call after the pick about the role coaches have told him he'll have."

On the expectation to produce now:

"It?s a bold pick by Mayhew and one that puts the pressure on Ebron, Lombardi and the offense to be special in 2014."

"The Lions expect Ebron to have an immediate impact and he?ll need to for this offense to take off and the Lions fan base to feel better about the pick"

On the reasoning it was a need pick:

"Offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi spent the last five years as the quarterback coach in New Orleans and watched Graham become one of the best matchup weapons in the NFL. He?s bringing over a lot of those elements from the Saints offense to Detroit and needed to fill a role for an athletic tight end, one that could stretch the field vertically"

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/li...ic-Ebron/87d99c59-36d3-47dc-982e-013a2191b624

Still waiting where they actually call him Jimmy Graham. Ebron and Graham are two gifted, athletic TEs that are similar in style. Lombardi coached the Saints.....not hard to figure that out.

 

[cheeno]

I'm not a huge fan of Pettigrew!! But he scares nobody. I think it was you clamoring about how we have Pettigrew on this team and i laughed. Ebron>>>>Pettigrew.

Be critical all you want. That's your motherfn right!! But for the love of all that's holy, UNDERSTAND the game and see what he does on the field when he doesn't have the football. He'll be taking coverage away from certain players, he should be a threat with or without the ball because defenses are going to have to account for him. Don't kick your dog when he has 3 catches for 40 yds in one game. Look to see what everyone else is doing because he should play a major role in Tate and the rest of our secondary receivers.

A rookie TE who's never taken a snap scares who? Who exactly is accounting for him over CJ, Bush, Tate? If anything he should be wide open every play Tony, UNDERSTAND?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

A rookie TE who's never taken a snap scares who? Who exactly is accounting for him over CJ, Bush, Tate? If anything he should be wide open every play Tony, UNDERSTAND?

Lol....you're showing your ignorance.

Think anyone will account for Sammy Watkins? He's a rookie, he hasn't proven anything.

 

[tonyballs]

When did I put all of the blame on him for the wins and losses? Show me in my quote where I said, "Matt Stafford is responsible for them not winning?" Nah, just another case of you picking words and hoping they stick.

You are the #1 QB taken in a draft. I expect you to put this team on your shoulders and win games you wouldn't normally win. Take them to places no one has seen them before. That's what elite QBs do. Take teams to the next level. This guy has not done that. I don't know why you continue to white knight him. You should expect more.

You're saying it right now!!! Are you dense? Stafford needs to win games, Stafford needs to be more of a leader, Stafford needs to take them to the next level. Wtf is that? You're putting it all on him and saying the other schmucks are not accountable. So spin your web and tell me i'm picking words...lol. Nah, the whole team is responsible. Since Stafford has been healthy for the last few years, he has put up enough points to take this team to the next level. And by saying that, i'm not white knighting him because he's had meltdowns/breakdowns whatever but it's not all on him. He's had nothing but CJ his whole career. This year he actually has weapons that opposing defense should not be laughing at. So, i do expect more.