2015 Cap

[tsmith7559]

But you lose an all pro. We can still keep an all pro and get 2 other pro bowlers (Fairley and a good guard). Or a CB and guard with no Fairley.

If we franchise Suh and he refuses to sign, then you think about a trade. But that will be closer towards the draft after free agency is pretty much over. At that point you take the first rounder and you better have signed Fairley and Mosley back at that point.

Two of my FA were all pro. I keep everyone for the most part, still have fairley, mosley and a 1st round DT, plus a pro bowl type CB

 

[LKP]

If another team gave the same deal the Lions could offer.

6 year 100 million. 40 signing bonus. 1 million base salary year 1, Suh's cap number could be 9 million in 2015 for them. They would probably structure the deal differently though. Less SB, more roster bonus, option bonus in year 2.

 

[Mitchrapp]

16m plus long term for a DT is stupid.

 

[LKP]

Two of my FA were all pro. I keep everyone for the most part, still have fairley, mosley and a 1st round DT, plus a pro bowl type CB

We can get 2 all pros then. Stud guard all pro, Suh all pro and Fairley is a very good player.

Then draft a cb and bring back Mathis who had a very good last 2 years.

 

[LKP]

16m for a DT is stupid.

16 million for a stud all pro defensive player. Who pressures like a DE and is a stud against the run.

 

[Mitchrapp]

16 million for a stud all pro defensive player. Who pressures like a DE and is a stud against the run.

Yeah he pressures like a DE which is why he has as many sacks as Watt, oh wait.

 

[tsmith7559]

We can get 2 all pros then. Stud guard all pro, Suh all pro and Fairley is a very good player.

Then draft a cb and bring back Mathis who had a very good last 2 years.

Not under a tag figure, I already proved that to you.. $12 mil doesn't work

 

[LKP]

Yeah he pressures like a DE which is why he has as many sacks as Watt, oh wait.

sacks, hits, hurries. DE type pressure. DT pressure is better and more disruptive too. Plus a stud against the run.

Suh deserves Watt money when you factor in a year later and the cap rising.

 

[LKP]

Not under a tag figure, I already proved that to you.. $12 mil doesn't work

12 million does work. 3 million for Fairley and 4 for the guard (see Sitton's contract). It clearly works.

top 51 rule. Other free agents we have take up very little space and draft is like 1.2 million in extra space. 5 million left after Fairley and the guard is plenty of room.

 

[Mitchrapp]

sacks, hits, hurries. DE type pressure. DT pressure is better and more disruptive too. Plus a stud against the run.

Suh deserves Watt money when you factor in a year later and the cap rising.

No he doesn't. And Watts younger, I'll take him all day over Suh.

 

[tsmith7559]

12 million does work. 3 million for Fairley and 4 for the guard (see Sitton's contract). It clearly works.

top 51 rule. Other free agents we have take up very little space and draft is like 1.2 million in extra space. 5 million left after Fairley and the guard is plenty of room.

Fuck 51, we all know you need 53 and a practice squad, rookie signings, prater. You will have a bunch of practice squad flunkiest as our backups

 

[tsmith7559]

Who's your starting DE after jones is cut,

 

[LKP]

Fuck 51, we all know you need 53 and a practice squad, rookie signings, prater. You will have a bunch of practice squad flunkiest as our backups

No we won't. The guys we re-sign (Mathis, Palmer, IAQ, Collins etc) takes the cap space of the future deals guys. Top 51 rule or top 53 rule. It's the same thing. Add 1 million for top 53/practice squad.

There is room for Suh franchise, Fairley, a stud guard and our free agents/draft picks.

5 million is enough for draft, Prater and all our free agents not named Suh/Fairley/new guard.

 

[LKP]

Who's your starting DE after jones is cut,

Draft pick or George Johnson, Devin Taylor. With Suh, Ansah, Fairley on the line, that Left End doesn't really matter Johnson was productive. Taylor year 2 didn't have a place with Jones healthy and Johnson playing well. Tapp back cheap too as a solid backup.

Plus Webster backing up Ansah.

 

[tsmith7559]

Draft pick or George Johnson, Devin Taylor. With Suh, Ansah, Fairley on the line, that Left End doesn't really matter Johnson was productive. Taylor year 2 didn't have a place with Jones healthy and Johnson playing well. Tapp back cheap too as a solid backup.

Plus Webster backing up Ansah.

George Johnson will get eaten aluve, he's a pass rusher, period, of course you have to sign him

 

[tsmith7559]

No we won't. The guys we re-sign (Mathis, Palmer, IAQ, Collins etc) takes the cap space of the future deals guys. Top 51 rule or top 53 rule. It's the same thing. Add 1 million for top 53/practice squad.

There is room for Suh franchise, Fairley, a stud guard and our free agents/draft picks.

5 million is enough for draft, Prater and all our free agents not named Suh/Fairley/new guard.

Show me how the 12 mil works, specifics.
Show me how you get all these players, totallING 53 and a practice squad of 800,000.
you throw out a lot of stuff, you're a moving target

 

[LKP]

Show me how the 12 mil works, specifics.
Show me how you get all these players, totallING 53 and a practice squad of 800,000.
you throw out a lot of stuff, you're a moving target

I told you you just don't understand. All the backups and older guys like Tapp, Dan O, George Johnson, Mathis can be re-signed with vet min deduction. They take up no extra space or like 100k to 200k max extra each.

17 million in room to start including carryover and Suh dead money accounted for.

Stafford restructure 5.7 million, Calvin 4 million, Tate/Quin 4.1 million and 3 cuts (Bush, Tulloch, Jones) 8 million. 21.8 million in more room.

17+21.8=38.8

Suh franchise 26.7

12.1 million remaining

4 million cap number for Fairley (3 year deal 24 million with 10 signing bonus), base 1 million year 1.

3.1 million cap number for the guard 5 year 33 million, 8 signing bonus (see Sitton deal and Golden Tate deal).

12.1-7= 5.1 million. With the top 51 or top 53 rule in effect, every single other free agenct with vet min deduction takes up little to no extra cap space. And then some guys can be signed for 700-800k. Or even have a multi year deal and count that low. Talking Palmer, Hilliard, George Johnson etc.

5 guys, shaving off 200k each tops, is 1 million. Some guys don't take up any extra, like Dan O last year for instance. IAQ, Collins, Mathis, Mosley,

Some guys taking up no extra space. Dan O, Tapp

Still have 4.1 million in room. 1.2 million for the draft. Round 3-7 don't count extra. Just 1-2.

2.9 million left. Another 1 million for top 53 and PS. 1.9 left.

Easily done.

You want George Johnson, Palmer on a longer deal. Give a Don Carey type deal.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/don-carey/

800k off of the space for 2 guys. 1.1 million left.

Give Prater a little less than this

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/steven-hauschka/

That would take off 1.2 million less 500k= 700k lost on Prater.

400k left.

Oh and I forgot to take off futures guys when Fairley and the guard signed. Back up to 1.4 million. Same with Suh. 1.9 million in room.

 

[LKP]

And if Suh has a long term deal even in July, we get the 17 million in space back (new money 9 million most likely). If Suh gets traded, we get 26.7 million in space.

Space that is carried over and gets us even more room in 2016.

 

[tomdalton22]

what does re-structuring Calvin's contract do to the Lions in the long term? I see his cap hit is $20M+ in 2015, $24M+ in 2016 and $21M+ in 2017 if nothing is done. Those cap hits are way too high for his contributions given his recent injury history. If you re-structure aren't you just pushing more money to the future when he will be less and less valuable? You might be better off leaving it alone then cut him after next year. Take the $12.9M cap hit and move on.

 

[LKP]

what does re-structuring Calvin's contract do to the Lions in the long term? I see his cap hit is $20M+ in 2015, $24M+ in 2016 and $21M+ in 2017 if nothing is done. Those cap hits are way too high for his contributions given his recent injury history. If you re-structure aren't you just pushing more money to the future when he will be less and less valuable? You might be better off leaving it alone then cut him after next year. Take the $12.9M cap hit and move on.

Taking 5 million of his base to signing bonus, adds 1 million to each year 2016-2019. No big deal.

2.8 million added to Staffor for 2016 and 2017.

Lions can handle an extra 5.3 in dead money in 2016 and 2017 from these restructures.

If Suh signs long term, they won't need to do 4 restructures either. Maybe 1 or 2 or none.