Lions signed DE Israel Idonije

[cheeno]

True it's not a given anyone will do well(see 2011 DT play from Suh and Fairley as proof) but the talent for him to play LT is there.

Either way the drafting of Reiff was incredibly smart just based on a planning persepective and given how screwed the Lions got with 3 tackles taken off the board before pick 5. That you can't deny. Stuck with Reiff at LT is still a good plan and better than stuck with Hilliard or some free agent LT or forced to move up and give up draft picks for Lane Johnson. Most likely a 3rd meaning Warford is gone. I'll take Reiff, Anash, Warford over Whitney Mercilus and Lane Johnson.

I don't how incredibly smart it was. Basically two plus two equals four. I think the writing was on the wall that Backus was on his last legs. Failing that they would likely have been much more pressed to find a solution in FA. Reiff is no doubt the cost effective alternative, now he just has to live up to his draft selection.

 

[LKP]

I don't how incredibly smart it was. Basically two plus two equals four. I think the writing was on the wall that Backus was on his last legs. Failing that they would likely have been much more pressed to find a solution in FA. Reiff is no doubt the cost effective alternative, now he just has to live up to his draft selection.

Yep another reason it was great. Talented but cost effective. Bidding war for Bushrod with the Bears would mean other players not on the team. And again with Reiff in Mayhew's back pocket, he didn't have to give up the 3rd or more for Lane Johnson.

 

[tonyballs]

Know one knows he can't play LT. Know one knows he can either. The whole line outside Sims is a big "?". As has been pointed out on numerous occasions its not like we had the '99 Broncos oline anyways.

He played LT for a major college in Iowa that is known as OL University. He was a first round pick last year. Chances are he can play in the Pros. There is no 'default' attached to his Reiffs name.....

 

[LKP]

He played LT for a major college in Iowa that is known as OL University. He was a first round pick last year. Chances are he can play in the Pros. There is no 'default' attached to his Reiffs name.....

Agreed. And if was drafted in 2013 people wouldn't be saying anything but he's our future LT right now. Just because he got drafted in 2012 and there was some rumor article, the media and some people stupidly seem to give up on him as a future LT. When that was neveer the case from Mayhew/Schwartz. I'd rather have my LTs with a little bit of experience in the system before I throw him out to the wolves.

 

[inkfreq]

He played LT for a major college in Iowa that is known as OL University. He was a first round pick last year. Chances are he can play in the Pros. There is no 'default' attached to his Reiffs name.....

I'll add that not only did he play for a major school, but it's a school known for producing solid lineman. And it's sure as hell a bigger school with bigger competition than the 2013 #1 overall pick came from.

 

[mhughes0021]

So, let me see if I understand the argument here...

Rieff played LT in college. He was regarded as the 2nd best LT of his draft class. He was drafted to be the LT of the future.

BUT some reporters claim that the Lions wanted to move him to RG or RT, and some reporters claim the Lions wanted a LT this year, even after several other reporters claim that the Lions targetted Ansah all along.

So now we know for fact he can't play LT in the NFL and we're screwed this season?

Yep, argument makes perfect sense to me.

you obviously don't watch much pre draft/combine. If reiff was a projected LT he would have gone top 10. He slid to us cause most teams didn't see him there. It has nothing to with what reporters think lol. Reiff was a great 1st round selection and we got great value because weve had oline needs for 10 years and he was the best olineman on the board. For that reason it was a smart pick and ive never said anything different. I said its dumb to take him in the first round and play him at fullback when theres people on the lime worse than him. Again, if you think the rumors about the move to guard were just that and that we never had any thought of taking joeckel or fisher......you are absolutely kidding yourself. They were willing to move him/replace him before he even played his first down at LT this season. Soooo....if you feel 100% confident in that....then good for you. But I see it as settling. Right now hes the best we got to play LT.....and sure I hope he succeeds.....but excuse me for getting on board about him being our LT when it was clear the organization didn't really want him there.

 

[mhughes0021]

He played LT for a major college in Iowa that is known as OL University. He was a first round pick last year. Chances are he can play in the Pros. There is no 'default' attached to his Reiffs name.....

People that play LT in college get moved to other spots every year once they get to the NFL.

 

[Mitchrapp]

you obviously don't watch much pre draft/combine. If reiff was a projected LT he would have gone top 10. He slid to us cause most teams didn't see him there.

So the only good NFL LT were top ten picks?

 

[LKP]

The Lions saw him as a future LT. That's all that matters. And Schwartz/Mayhew have been consistent in saying that no matter what rumor you have about him moving. I agree they would have taken a LT though, only because that would have been BPA. Doesn't mean the Lions don't think Reiff can be a good LT.


Lions valued having a 6th linemen over Peterman. Can't change it now, the problem has been addressed with Warford, Harris or Scott.

 

[mhughes0021]

So the only good NFL LT were top ten picks?

how you conclude that from what I said baffles me.

 

[Mitchrapp]

how you conclude that from what I said baffles me.

You said if he was a true LT he would have been drafted top 10.

???

 

[mhughes0021]

You said if he was a true LT he would have been drafted top 10.

???

he slid to 23 dude lol. take a look at all the teams with HUGE LT needs that passed on him. Again...apparently you didn't watch predraft/combine stuff either......these aren't things im just making up.....every single analyst said the same thing. Im sorry if I don't see him as a LT of the future when we would have had no hesitation in replacing him/moving him this offseason.

There were only 2 tackles taken in the entire first round last year. He was the 2nd. You don't see many drafts where the 2nd rated LT comes off the board at 23 unless theres concerns that hes not a true LT.

 

[Mitchrapp]

he slid to 23 dude lol. take a look at all the teams with HUGE LT needs that passed on him. Again...apparently you didn't watch predraft/combine stuff either......these aren't things im just making up.....every single analyst said the same thing. Im sorry if I don't see him as a LT of the future when we would have had no hesitation in replacing him/moving him this offseason.

There were only 2 tackles taken in the entire first round last year. He was the 2nd. You don't see many drafts where the 2nd rated LT comes off the board at 23 unless theres concerns that hes not a true LT.

That's not my point. Plus, it does happen. Want me to get a list of LT that were good, outside top 10. Hell Backus had a long career and outside top 10.

 

[LKP]

Cardinals and Bills are the only teams that truly passed and they don't exactly have good GMs. I believe both have been fired since.

The Bears may be the only one you could have a point with them passing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_Draft

In the end though, the Lions have said he is the future LT. And that's all that matters. Can he do as well as Backus at least. The answer is hell yes.

 

[zyxt9]

Cardinals and Bills are the only teams that truly passed and they don't exactly have good GMs. I believe both have been fired since.

The Bears may be the only one you could have a point with them passing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_Draft

In the end though, the Lions have said he is the future LT. And that's all that matters. Can he do as well as Backus at least. The answer is hell yes.

BULLSHIT! You nor anyone else knows that he will be as good as Backus, which isn't even saying much since his nic was Sackus for so long.

 

[zyxt9]

Obviously they are rolling with Reiff at LT this year. We all hope he does well, but to act as though there were not questions when drafted and even more after playing FB instead of OL is to be LKP, aka blind homer.

What will be, will be...but denying the question marks of the past so flippantly is to play the fool.

 

[mhughes0021]

Cardinals and Bills are the only teams that truly passed and they don't exactly have good GMs. I believe both have been fired since.

The Bears may be the only one you could have a point with them passing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_Draft

In the end though, the Lions have said he is the future LT. And that's all that matters. Can he do as well as Backus at least. The answer is hell yes.

They have to say he is the lt of the future now lol....what else are they going to say?...."you're lucky joeckel or Fisher weren't there or you woulda been fullback."

 

[Mitchrapp]

Obviously they are rolling with Reiff at LT this year. We all hope he does well, but to act as though there were not questions when drafted and even more after playing FB instead of OL is to be LKP, aka blind homer.

What will be, will be...but denying the question marks of the past so flippantly is to play the fool.

There are always questions and no doubt LKP is a homer. But in the end, hughes', or yourself or anyone else for that matter can't say for sure how he'll do.

 

[mhughes0021]

There are always questions and no doubt LKP is a homer. But in the end, hughes', or yourself or anyone else for that matter can't say for sure how he'll do.

Correct. But were not saying how he will do. Everyone else is. Were saying he's part of the reason the oline is one of the major questionmarks on this team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Correct. But were not saying how he will do. Everyone else is. Were saying he's part of the reason the oline is one of the major questionmarks on this team.

I still remember you saying if he has the talent to play LT he would have been taken much earlier. So IMO, based on what you said, he's not a LT in the NFL.

That's more than just saying "there are major question marks".

We should be better in the middle. Still have fat boy at C, Sims at LG and the new guy has to be better than Peterman, he sucked.