To everyone who says Ebron can be like Graham

[atxlion82]

Everyone is pointing to Seattle beating up on Denver as us needing to go Defense. But are forgetting the fact that they still got to the SB. We are a lot closer to out offense being able to carry us to the playoffs than building a dominant defense.

 

[dubbsco]

Denver has a hall of fame QB and some nice weapons around him. The difference is that you can put pieces in that offense, and Peyton will make them look better. We don't have that with Stafford. He hasn't shown the ability to make anyone better.

 

[kdp80]

Denver has a hall of fame QB and some nice weapons around him. The difference is that you can put pieces in that offense, and Peyton will make them look better. We don't have that with Stafford. He hasn't shown the ability to make anyone better.

Beg to differ...Durham should be a bus driver, yet he's our #1 when Calvin is out

 

[Mitchrapp]

Are you sure? While watching the coverage, literally the split second after that pick was made at 9, the Lions logo came up on the screen, and IMMEDIATELY changed to "Pick is in."

Once the previous team picks they don't bring up the card right away but the Lions click had already started..

 

[inkfreq]

Denver has a hall of fame QB and some nice weapons around him. The difference is that you can put pieces in that offense, and Peyton will make them look better. We don't have that with Stafford. He hasn't shown the ability to make anyone better.

Really? Because Denver didn't go out and get Wes Welker, who was considered the top free agent receiver in that class?

Demaryius Thomas wasn't a first round pick in 2010?

They didn't somehow overpay for Jacob Tamme to give Peyton a weapon he wanted? And the only reason he wasn't starting is because Julius Thomas finally developed into something.

Manning has a ton of quality weapons there. He probably does make those guys better, but those guys weren't scrubs without him. They were developing players or costly free agents.

They sure as hell weren't Kris Durham, Brandon "Droptimus Prime" Pettigrew, and Kevin Ogletree. And that's not counting the guys like Burelson and Broyles who couldn't stay on the field.

 

[dubbsco]

What's the harm in letting the clock tick all the way down? It's entirely possible someone has a panic attack and picks up the phone to move up.

 

[kdp80]

What's the harm in letting the clock tick all the way down? It's entirely possible someone has a panic attack and picks up the phone to move up.

Clearly they were dead set on drafting Ebron..that's why

 

[inkfreq]

Once the previous team picks they don't bring up the card right away but the Lions click had already started..

From what I understood based on statements made last night, there are actually two processes that happen with each pick.

First the team electronically informs the commissioners office of the pick. They then forward that to the next team so they know which guy is being taken. That is the official point the pick is turned in, which is why sometimes you see the clock run out, but the card hasn't been handed in yet.

Then the team's runner takes the pick via card to the podium and the pick is not allowed to change between the electronic submission and the analog one.

This may be a verification process or something, but it seems to me it's just pomp and circumstance. I think they do the runner and paper card just so it keeps the feel of the old days and creates a little excitement.

The clock on ESPN is no more official than the yellow line when watching a game, and in fact, it's worse because it can be off by minutes.

Example.....

Let's say Seattle is on the clock. They submit their pick digitally. The clock is officially stopped for them and started for... we'll say Washington. ESPN shows "THE PICK IS IN", but actually Washington is now on the clock.

ESPN waits for the pick to be handed in by the runner, which might be three minutes later, and then begins the clock on their monitors at 10 minutes. In reality, Washington has been on the clock for 7 minutes already.

It doesn't skew the perception when most teams wait until the last minute to turn in a pick, but when you have a few teams that pick quickly, it really messes up the viewer at home.

If you figure four teams in the top 10 pick a few minutes early, you're off by as much as 10-15 minutes by pick 11, and it's going to get worse by pick 32.

ESPN has some manual processes to help correct this when they can, but in the end, they really have no idea how long a team has been on the clock because they don't know when the digital submission happened.

 

[lgolfer]

Clearly they were dead set on drafting Ebron..that's why

Well, then they need to be fired because falling in love with a guy and not considering all your options isn't acceptable. You always need to examine all your options before making a decision.

 

[dubbsco]

"The Detroit Lions made their selection of North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron quicker than any other team in the top 10, wasting just a couple minutes before turning in their choice."- Mlive

So the people who are saying that it's all speculation about how long they took, that's some evidence for you.

If they took the full 10 minutes, and ended up with Ebron, fine. I still hate the pick, but I can at least accept the fact they more than likely fielded some calls and made some calls. But, they could not have run that pick up to the commish any faster than they did. I'm tired of this franchise thinking they are the smartest people in the room, and they have some little secret that no one else knows about. It's time to start emulating other franchises a little bit.

 

[lgolfer]

"The Detroit Lions made their selection of North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron quicker than any other team in the top 10, wasting just a couple minutes before turning in their choice."- Mlive

So the people who are saying that it's all speculation about how long they took, that's some evidence for you.

If they took the full 10 minutes, and ended up with Ebron, fine. I still hate the pick, but I can at least accept the fact they more than likely fielded some calls and made some calls. But, they could not have run that pick up to the commish any faster than they did. I'm tired of this franchise thinking they are the smartest people in the room, and they have some little secret that no one else knows about. It's time to start emulating other franchises a little bit.

Completely agree with this.

 

[inkfreq]

"The Detroit Lions made their selection of North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron quicker than any other team in the top 10, wasting just a couple minutes before turning in their choice."- Mlive

So the people who are saying that it's all speculation about how long they took, that's some evidence for you.

If they took the full 10 minutes, and ended up with Ebron, fine. I still hate the pick, but I can at least accept the fact they more than likely fielded some calls and made some calls. But, they could not have run that pick up to the commish any faster than they did. I'm tired of this franchise thinking they are the smartest people in the room, and they have some little secret that no one else knows about. It's time to start emulating other franchises a little bit.

If this staff, our management, coaches and scouts, all agree that Ebron was one of the few Elite level prospects in this draft.... why are we bothered by the amount of time it took to turn in the pick??

If I am sitting at #10, and one of the four elite prospects falls into my lap, I step over three old ladies and a crippled midget to get that pick turned in.

Now, I do not know if I agree on the elite status, but I also can't disagree with it, especially after looking at the Sports Science video Diggler posted.

Granted, Sports Science is not an indication of how good a guy is or isn't on the field, but his measurables are off the charts.

If you believe that this was the guy, one of those rare game changers you really really want... you don't trade back and hope he's there. You don't goof around listening to offers. You make your pick and party, quick like.

Do we really assume that an hour and a half into the draft, and with a week of talking to other teams, that management didn't have a pretty good feel for the offers that were on the table? Does anyone here really believe that franchise changing deals happen in the 10 minutes a team in on the board?

The Lions had a pretty darned good idea of who they wanted, and whether or not any team was willing to pony up to make them change their minds. They knew the playing field, they made their pick.

 

[dubbsco]

Ink, I'll tell you why I'm bothered. It shows you the pure inability for this franchise to do their due diligence. There was apparently no effort (going off the allotted time they used for the pick) in calling other people.

 

[lgolfer]

If this staff, our management, coaches and scouts, all agree that Ebron was one of the few Elite level prospects in this draft.... why are we bothered by the amount of time it took to turn in the pick??

If I am sitting at #10, and one of the four elite prospects falls into my lap, I step over three old ladies and a crippled midget to get that pick turned in.

Now, I do not know if I agree on the elite status, but I also can't disagree with it, especially after looking at the Sports Science video Diggler posted.

Granted, Sports Science is not an indication of how good a guy is or isn't on the field, but his measurables are off the charts.

If you believe that this was the guy, one of those rare game changers you really really want... you don't trade back and hope he's there. You don't goof around listening to offers. You make your pick and party, quick like.

Do we really assume that an hour and a half into the draft, and with a week of talking to other teams, that management didn't have a pretty good feel for the offers that were on the table? Does anyone here really believe that franchise changing deals happen in the 10 minutes a team in on the board?

The Lions had a pretty darned good idea of who they wanted, and whether or not any team was willing to pony up to make them change their minds. They knew the playing field, they made their pick.

I think it all comes down to would a WR like Jordan Matthews or Donte Moncrief had a similar impact to Ebron? If yes, then it's a bad decision to take Ebron at 10 when you can take a guy like Donald, Dennard, or Haha who could significantly help our defense plus get the WR in the 2nd round.

 

[dubbsco]

The sick part of me hopes that the Lions draft a WR in round 2 so people can finally see that Mayhew is not the right guy for the job.

 

[lgolfer]

The sick part of me hopes that the Lions draft a WR in round 2 so people can finally see that Mayhew is not the right guy for the job.

Well, if that's the direction to go, let's draft Jordan Matthews or Donte Moncrief!

 

[boogerlovejoy]

If this staff, our management, coaches and scouts, all agree that Ebron was one of the few Elite level prospects in this draft.... why are we bothered by the amount of time it took to turn in the pick??

If I am sitting at #10, and one of the four elite prospects falls into my lap, I step over three old ladies and a crippled midget to get that pick turned in.

Now, I do not know if I agree on the elite status, but I also can't disagree with it, especially after looking at the Sports Science video Diggler posted.

Granted, Sports Science is not an indication of how good a guy is or isn't on the field, but his measurables are off the charts.

If you believe that this was the guy, one of those rare game changers you really really want... you don't trade back and hope he's there. You don't goof around listening to offers. You make your pick and party, quick like.

Do we really assume that an hour and a half into the draft, and with a week of talking to other teams, that management didn't have a pretty good feel for the offers that were on the table? Does anyone here really believe that franchise changing deals happen in the 10 minutes a team in on the board?

The Lions had a pretty darned good idea of who they wanted, and whether or not any team was willing to pony up to make them change their minds. They knew the playing field, they made their pick.

This board is hilarious.

"I'd feel better about it if they took more time to pick"!!

SHUT THE FUCK UP! Anyone that says that is saying it purely out of speculation. How does ANYONE on this board know how many takers there were for the 10th pick?

Maybe they just WANTED Ebron?

Maybe they did SO MUCH "due diligence" they knew exactly what teams would even consider a trade up....made those calls.....didn't get a deal they liked.....so they turned in their card?

Complaining about the time it took to turn in their fucking card is grasping for something to bitch about.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

The sick part of me hopes that the Lions draft a WR in round 2 so people can finally see that Mayhew is not the right guy for the job.

A tight end pick doesn't erase the need at wr. We are still one injury away from kris Durham. I've said it a million times, good passing teams stack up. Classic case is New Orleans. Graham, Colston, Kenny stills showed promise, they have all kinds of running backs. And they go with Brandin cooks. Don't be surprised to see Denver and Green Bay pick wideouts sometime today also.

 

[dubbsco]

And we are one injury away from Dan Orlovsky. Or one injury away from whatever practice squad player is behind Chris Houston. Enough with the weapons. Time for Stafford to actually make players around him better. If this team drafts a WR in round 2, Mayhew should be fired on the spot.

 

[JScottWriter]

A tight end pick doesn't erase the need at wr. We are still one injury away from kris Durham. I've said it a million times, good passing teams stack up. Classic case is New Orleans. Graham, Colston, Kenny stills showed promise, they have all kinds of running backs. And they go with Brandin cooks. Don't be surprised to see Denver and Green Bay pick wideouts sometime today also.

Lions are nothing like NO, none of those were high draft picks. Either Mayhew needs to find gems or Stafford needs to start making his teammates better.